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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255405 Archived-At: On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 06:36:05PM +0000, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. wrote: > >> >>It would be nice to add the option to install and enable ivy and >>company in the guide, can we do this in principle (i.e., promote a >>elpa package)? Not talking about whether we should, but whether we >>can. >> > >I think mentioning M-x list-packages in the last screen is enough, >just after M-x customize. Installing and enabling a particular >package would be too much. > I agree. I would prefer that this only brings native features. If a feature is so important to go here, then probably it is important enough to be in vanilla emacs. IMO