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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, tecosaur@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:42:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kGitw-00052w-CI@fencepost.gnu.org>

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 09:15:40AM -0400, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
>   >   >   Actually spacemacs made it to look a bit more modern by just changing
>   >   >   some colors.
>   >   >
>   >   >What kind of changes to colors was that?  It would be good to quantify
>   >   >what "modern" means.
>   >
>   >   In general this is very subjective. But looking at WinXP vs Win10 one
>   >   gets more or less where the style feeling is moving to. Specially the
>   >   colors and the default fonts in the interfaces make a big difference;
>   >   but also the whole integration.
>   >
>   >Could you list those changes?
>
>   1) The "included" themes (not only the default one) are a bit more
>   "attractive" and similar to the ones in VSCode, Sublime or Android
>   Studio:
>
>   https://themegallery.robdor.com/
>
>That lists several hundreds of themes.  Can you summarize _what_
>changes where done to make Emacs look more modern?  A list of maybe
>3-5 things would give a good idea.  For example, one concrete change
>is to replace a warning face that is bright yellow with a dark yellow.
>
If you change a single face it doesn't improve anything. The whole thing
is the important. The overall result after all the changes. A light
toolbar looks worst with a dark background as well; big icons looks
terrible with small fonts.

>   2) In the windows side they just made the whole colors a bit more
>   "coherent" with the internal themes,
>
>What does that mean? What changes did they (who is they?) do exactly?
>
If you change the background but not the borders, the icons the
font-lock faces, modeline and so on; a single change conflicts with the
others. I am not designer to quantify that with designer words.

>   2.1) the menu-bar is usually more "compact" with a smaller and bold font
>   (OR hided OR enabled xterm-mouse-mode because otherwise the toolbar is
>   pretty much useless as F10 is intercepted by most of the terminal
>   emulators or desktop environments).
>
>
>   2.2) In the case where they keep the tool-bar the icons are smaller and
>   more "attractive". Lets say sometimes independent of the theme, but in
>   general smaller.
>
>How are the more attractive?  The list you provided doesn't show a
>single tool-bar.
>
>   3) Finally they fully redesigned the mode-line. I don't like all the
>   changes they did because they require many extra external packages that
>   increase too much the loading time and I prefer to load my emacs in less
>   than 1 sec. But form the aestetic point of view it is an important
>   change.
>
>In what way have the "fully redesigned the mode-line"? The link you
>provided has no mode-lines.
>
https://github.com/jonathanchu/emacs-powerline
https://github.com/TheBB/spaceline
https://github.com/domtronn/spaceline-all-the-icons.el
https://seagle0128.github.io/doom-modeline
https://www.spacemacs.org/ (there are pictures)

>Please be specific, give examples -- "it is more attractive" without
>explicilty saying what "it" is makes for a long discussion.
>



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-11 13:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 309+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-08 16:02 Changes for emacs 28 TEC
2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-08 17:45   ` TEC
2020-09-08 18:15   ` TEC
2020-09-08 19:28     ` tomas
2020-09-08 20:31       ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:01         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 21:45           ` Ergus
2020-09-08 22:14             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 22:26               ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:35         ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 16:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 16:22       ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 16:45       ` TEC
2020-09-09 18:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-10 10:47           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 17:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:56               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 18:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:48                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  5:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 21:01                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 21:21                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 21:34                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 21:36                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 22:19                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 21:46                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11  4:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:04                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  7:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:44                             ` tomas
2020-09-11 10:27                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:26                                 ` tomas
2020-09-11 15:19                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:50                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  8:41                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 10:30                                 ` tomas
2020-09-13 10:59                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 11:38                                     ` tomas
2020-09-13 12:53                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-13 15:05                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 16:17                                         ` Ergus
2020-09-13 16:38                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 12:15                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:40                                     ` tomas
2020-09-14 18:45                                   ` chad
2020-09-15  8:12                                     ` tomas
2020-09-15 18:27                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 21:17                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 20:45                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 21:22                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 23:32                                         ` Alan Third
2020-09-13 14:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:05                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 18:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:17                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 19:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:18                                           ` bug#43405: Tool bar item doesn't align to the right edge Juri Linkov
2020-09-14 19:34                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 18:14                                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-15 18:39                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 19:29                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-17  9:03                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-17 13:45                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-17 14:43                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-17 14:54                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-17 15:24                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-17 15:33                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-18  8:38                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-18  8:58                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-21 18:30                                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-21 19:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-21 20:07                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-22 14:39                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 15:14                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-22 15:26                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:53                                             ` spvk
2020-09-11 10:30                           ` Changes for emacs 28 Ergus
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:36                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:45                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 19:17                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  3:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  8:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:00                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:23                             ` Ergus
2020-09-11 18:29                               ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:12                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 19:23                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 20:07                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 20:37                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  3:59                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 21:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 16:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 12:24                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 22:48                     ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  4:07                         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:49                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  9:53                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-11 21:51                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 17:53                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:09                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 21:05                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 21:40                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-12  7:54                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  6:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  9:04                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11  9:19                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 13:52                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:10                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 14:26                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 10:36                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:39                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 11:20                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  7:49                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 20:24                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 19:17                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 18:44                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 19:34                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  5:11                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  5:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  4:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 18:12             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-09 19:28         ` tomas
2020-09-09 21:33         ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09 22:19           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 11:20         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 11:27           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 11:57             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:52             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  6:07               ` TEC
2020-09-12  3:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:21               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:13         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:14         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 16:57       ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:08         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 17:16           ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:25         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 17:34         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-10  9:09         ` "modern" colors " Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:20           ` Ergus
2020-09-10 10:29             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 11:08               ` Ergus
2020-09-10 12:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 13:17                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10 13:55                     ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 14:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:40                       ` Ergus
2020-09-10 18:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:58                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:15                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 13:42                   ` Ergus [this message]
2020-09-11 14:13                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 14:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:36                       ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-11 22:14                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  6:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  9:03                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 10:19                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:51                               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13 14:21                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:40                                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13  4:06                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:24                           ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 11:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:41                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:29                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:36                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 15:43                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:25                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13  4:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  8:53                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  3:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14  8:08                                     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  9:46                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-14 15:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 15:48                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 10:13                         ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-12 11:13                         ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 12:26                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:27                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 14:52                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 15:37                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 17:26                               ` TEC
     [not found]                                 ` <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-09-12 18:27                                   ` TEC
2020-09-12 19:57                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  5:53                                     ` TEC
2020-09-12 21:22                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:49                                     ` TEC
2020-09-15  6:54                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16  2:49                                         ` TEC
2020-09-13  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  9:04                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 10:17                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 14:26                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 14:43                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 15:22                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13  9:16                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-12 19:46                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  1:14                                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-15  6:54                                     ` toggle-light-dark-mode (was: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28) Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-15 17:51                                       ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-15 19:03                                         ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-15 20:10                                           ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-16 19:31                                             ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:14                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-16 20:32                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:59                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Stefan Monnier
2020-09-17 14:34                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 17:43                             ` "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 19:53                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 19:59                                 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:09                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:07                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 20:13                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 15:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 16:22                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 16:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:49                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 20:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 21:43                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:18                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:26                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:16                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:24                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 14:44                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:45                                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 17:15                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 17:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:47                                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 20:20                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  7:40                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 14:34                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 14:50                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 15:51                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:01                                                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:05                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:11                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 16:31                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 14:18                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:47                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 16:07                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:35                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 14:38                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:46                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 14:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15  6:54                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 23:29                     ` Philip K.
2020-09-12 11:10                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 11:44                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:46                         ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:24                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 13:16                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 13:55                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 14:31                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13  0:17                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 14:52                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  0:44                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  6:26   ` TEC
2020-09-09 15:43     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-12 14:21 "modern" colors " ej32u
2020-09-12 14:21 ej32u
2020-09-12 16:29 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  0:36 arthur miller
2020-09-13  0:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:49   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14  5:14     ` TEC
2020-09-14  6:35       ` Ergus
2020-09-14  8:18         ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  9:48           ` Ergus
2020-09-15  4:35       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 15:19     ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-15  4:44       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-18 13:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 16:06         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-18 16:17           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 17:14             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-18 18:43               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 19:01                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-15  6:38   ` Marcus Harnisch
2020-09-15 15:54     ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13  1:26 arthur miller
2020-09-13 11:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 11:50   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 17:29     ` Dmitry Gutov

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