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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254995 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 03:32:21PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:08:32 +0200 >> From: Ergus >> Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, tecosaur@gmail.com, >> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> 2.1) the menu-bar is usually more "compact" with a smaller and bold font > >In most builds, the font of the menu bar comes from the toolkit, >doesn't it? > >> (OR hided OR enabled xterm-mouse-mode because otherwise the toolbar is >> pretty much useless as F10 is intercepted by most of the terminal >> emulators or desktop environments). > >If F10 is intercepted, perhaps we should also bind the command to >another key? That's a simple and backward-compatible change. > I have discussed this with Stefan already and there are some small backward compatible changes we can do here because usually F10 is intercepted by gnome, toggle guake, gnome-terminal menu or tmux before arriving to emacs. Some of the (non exclusive) options are: 1) Bind it also to another key 2) Show the binding somewhere (in the same bar or modeline) when xterm-mouse-mode is disabled. 3) Underline the letter in the menus that "opens" each menu from the keyboard (as some Windows applications do) 4) Enable xterm-mouse-mode by default in more situations as most of the popular terminal emulators are xterm compatible (gnome-term, xterm, konsole, rxvt, guake, terminator)