From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 14:51:09 +0300 Message-ID: <20200910115109.GW22262@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <6936F2AB-0968-42B5-9914-56538608A42C@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8246"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: emacs-devel To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 13:52:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGL7T-00020d-1j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:52:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54880 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGL7S-0005xr-4M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40048) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGL6k-0005Ic-A9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:51:18 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:56611) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGL6i-0004ac-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.46]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000A3C57.000000005F5A1330.00004496; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 04:51:12 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6936F2AB-0968-42B5-9914-56538608A42C@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/10 06:51:53 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254975 Archived-At: * Yuan Fu [2020-09-08 13:28]: > I think everybody would agree on attracting more people to use > Emacs—that means more blogs and help, more contributor, etc. And > people agree that Emacs isn’t as beginner-friendly as it could > be. The problem is what to improve, and how. I have office in Tanzania, in Geita town, and several staff members came to our office and one task among others was preparation for administrative works. People who got prepared in such are those who do not have much experiences with computers in general and do not posses computer themselves. They have been given a task to go through Emacs Tutorial as to become able to use Emacs to write text and respond to emails and to write reports. Each of them could complete the task with success, I speak of number of people as around ten of them. Several of them have been writing reports and one of them was translating Swahili to English and vice versa by using Emacs. Thus my very specific experience with these staff members as beginners tells me that Emacs was very beginner friendly, especially due to fact that the Tutorial and Help was there, and I never had a case that I needed to explain directly something to those staff members, they have provided reports and still do, and can use Emacs as text editor. Jean