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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254964 Archived-At: --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:34:14PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:08:09 +0000 > > From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." > >=20 > > With vanilla Emacs you have indeed (see C-h w): > >=20 > > kill-ring-save is on , , M-w, = > > yank is on C-y, , , > > kill-region is on C-w, , > >=20 > > So the CUA bindings are there. >=20 > But not the "CUA bindings" that users out there expect, which is what > we call "CUA mode". Definitely. I didn't intend to imply otherwise. Rather I wanted to remind people that "there is not a Right GUI", and that it changes over time depending on whoever dominates whatever market out there. The quintessence of my message is that there's a price to pay when following those changing conventions (after all, there are lots of Emacs users who use, e.g. C-c for something else!), and thus changing a default always will take discussion, patience, and perhaps accepting that the outcome isn't always what one wants. [...] > So the fact that IBM calls "CUA" something else is a tangent, not > really relevant or important in this context. I don't even think they care about it anymore ;-) >=20 --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl9Z+xoACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbchACcCOXmP3RurjRHPuUmySESijKC DLoAmwfbXa/qRsbOHElLz8Lk0az+XrDg =1MDT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1--