From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:36:25 +0200 Message-ID: <20200909103624.GA2322@tuxteam.de> References: <24302cf8-5ac8-4abd-83ce-3e33c51a8beb@default> <83k0x4mjsv.fsf@gnu.org> <831rjcmgn8.fsf@gnu.org> <20200909083521.fftcvhi6ec26a5wa@Ergus> <20200909084116.GC31381@tuxteam.de> <20200909100019.x6csfhtkpids3hbe@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4206"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 12:37:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFxTg-00011A-AY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 12:37:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37718 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFxTf-0005XC-Ar for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 06:37:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFxT2-00055w-KK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 06:36:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:54872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFxT0-0005xl-Am for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 06:36:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=vn679SuDg+95hWmuW3sGnp/JNZ4dLQ2KqbRkXcwX1Pw=; b=t/dXrN8jBKCrOjet0H7hiX1hsP12IWvHQN1xORkVpYWSZwwLxR5ePp9J5vbIjyH5cg85lpelfeQqRUQ2dOKMis3jAQ98ktFX20BNmqJb8KoEosuMtN/m4f0UvN+BLLZ/sdpixPpeitf6U20K7Qdjlw7EJ7egEhZCq3SHdNqQwzOtTM+i266A2AfUHSS5fPgFciIuOES3gOu3Lv6bO3R1uXmwXbLbuuS9dTAGELxk9w/M9jgXGGAStTvt4m1+oDv39fNN1JG6VR3Xh7LVvsfZqKk7aC+d1JVqFT0TmZ2ksEI6+/cjalCusfvzS1l5WEEKoJTKTalUSM7L6lzgo7S8+w==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1kFxSj-0001iY-1m; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 12:36:25 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200909100019.x6csfhtkpids3hbe@Ergus> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/09 03:57:50 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254861 Archived-At: --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 12:00:19PM +0200, Ergus wrote: [..] > I think that there is so much fragmentation in the user community > because we don't have anything "official" more dynamic and modern (or > familiar) than the mailing list. Yes, I see that. I try to ignore the little value judgement subliminally packed in "modern" :-) It'll be as difficult to "move" the mailing list people to... > I mean something equivalent to gitter/trello/github's issues/slack > channel. So the users create/find their own alternatives and this ends > in many sub communities. ...gitter/trello/github (or reddit) as it'll be the other way around. After all some stick to mail for good reasons (as some love github for some other good reasons)... > The closest is the reddit channel where Eli interacts frequently. But of > course there is not any link to that in the emacs site, the readme or > anywhere. ...so I think we'll have to live in a somewhat diverse landscape and find ways around there. "Multilingual" people (as you are, but also Eli) are an important part of this, I think. Cheers - t --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl9YsCgACgkQBcgs9XrR2kY6YwCfZEfpjPMIMrTzAY0f7BbotxMi feMAn1cPnHTMqM8f9GMnWA9qkg1SQ/c1 =kdx4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn--