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* Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-08 16:02 TEC
  2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
  2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
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From: TEC @ 2020-09-08 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ghe; +Cc: emacs-devel

Hello everyone,

This is my first time jumping onto the emacs-devel ML so don't be too
harsh :P (also, I'm not subscribed, so if there are anyone wants to
mention me, please CC me).

Yesterday, Gregory Heytings wrote
> FWIW, my own experience with this kind of tools is that those who do
> not have initially a good non-technical reason to use it ...
> This external motivation is necessary to "climb the learning curve",
> so to speak, and "better" defaults will have no influence on it.

If I may interject - I am exactly that user. I started using Emacs via.
Doom early this year, and I honestly doubt that I would still be using
it now otherwise.

The motivating factor was annoyance with JupyterLab. Doom allowed me to
'get started' easily. Looking back on it now, had I had to "climb the
mountain", I don't think I'd be here today. I think I can thank Doom for
turning "climb the mountain" into "slide down the rabbit-hole".

IMO the most significant factor is that Doom allowed me to "just get
started" with the tasks which caused my lingering interest to manifest
into installing. While now I couldn't imagine going without Emacs, that
initial ease was crucial.

If there is further interest in exactly how I think Doom worked for me
when vanilla Emacs wouldn't, I'm more than happy to elaborate :)

All the best,

Timothy.



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* RE: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-13  4:37 arthur miller
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From: arthur miller @ 2020-09-13  4:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drew Adams, Ergus; +Cc: Gregory Heytings, Dmitry Gutov, emacs-devel@gnu.org

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-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Från: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Datum: 2020-09-12 18:29 (GMT+01:00)
Till: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>, Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
Kopia: Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Ämne: RE: Changes for emacs 28

> There is  a commercial package called Maya. They have a pop-up
> window/menu widget they call "hot box". In that pop-up they have all, or
> as few as chosen by the user, menus collected in a transparent window
> they pop-up under the mouse after the spacebar is hold for a while (I
> think it was half a second).

`mouse3.el' does this.  But it's initiated by
a right-click, not by holding the space bar.

It could be made to also or instead be initiated
by a keyboard key.  But why?  If the location of
the popup is at the mouse pointer, why make users
involve _both_ the mouse and the keyboard?

--------
Why?  Because you could continue activating menus with keyboard so you don't need to switch to mouse.

Why also a key even if mouse is active? Because holding spacebar with the thumb is very easy and can be done while moving mouse around,  but first reason is more interesting in my opinion.

Also observe that I don't say it is better or faster. As you commented on the part below, I mean it mostly as something that makes Emacs more explorable for people that use starter kits with minimalistic guis where menubars are off etc.

Emacs aleady has all menus explorable from context menu, C-mouse2 opens global menu. "Hot  box" widget differs in how it renders menus, and adds some context sensitive zones, so it is some kind of explorable all-in-one options widget, or I don't know how to call it. Like a global context menu on steroids with prettier presentation then ordinary context menu.

> Maybe such or similar widget could be good to have in Emacs? As a
> compromise between a minimal GUI, discoverability and avialability of
> menus even when gui elements are disabled? A context menu would still be
> faster though.

See `mouse3.el'.  I think it provides what I
think you've described.
-------

I have checked it. It is not even remotely close,  not in a slightest :-).

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* Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-08 13:08 Boruch Baum
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From: Boruch Baum @ 2020-09-08 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs-Devel List

On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 13:50:37 +0100, João Távora wrote:
> Boruch Baum <boruch_baum@gmx.com> writes:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:13:04 +0100, João Távora wrote:
> >> It must be a command-line option because when reproducing and fixing
> >> bugs on Emacs, you very frequently have the need to run "a bare Emacs
> >> -Q" frequently from a shell, devoid of any third-party packages that may
> >> be interfering.
> >
> > That's only ever is true when reporting a bug to the emacs project
> > itself.
>
> No, no and no. When answering bug reports for a package that is _not_
> in Emacs it's imperative that the reporter uses Emacs -Q + <package
> setup when explaining the problem.

You're right. I'm surprised I wrote that part.

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* Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-08 11:52 Boruch Baum
  2020-09-08 12:50 ` João Távora
  2020-09-08 14:42 ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 548+ messages in thread
From: Boruch Baum @ 2020-09-08 11:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs-Devel List

On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:13:04 +0100, João Távora wrote:

> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > I like the idea, but this should be something to set in .emacs,
> > not a command-line option.
>
> It must be a command-line option because when reproducing and fixing
> bugs on Emacs, you very frequently have the need to run "a bare Emacs
> -Q" frequently from a shell, devoid of any third-party packages that may
> be interfering.

That's only ever is true when reporting a bug to the emacs project
itself. Should your proposal be adopted as an add-on loaded via .emacs
as Richard Stallman suggests, it can be treated like any of the other
zillion emacs third-party packages that are competently and
professionally debugged by their own authors and maintainers, without
imposing extra burdens on the maintainers of the core emacs project.

I do think it would be great for emacs to include a curated collection
of sample init files descriptively labeled for use-case. I would go
further and suggest that the technique of using an org-mode file with
embedded code blocks as one's emacs init file be adopted as standard,
and be used for those collection of init files. That way each code block
can be explained and annotated to 'new' users.

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* Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-08 11:01 Boruch Baum
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From: Boruch Baum @ 2020-09-08 11:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs-Devel List

My suggestion does skew to 'people willing to make the extra effort to
perform internet searches or downloads', so it will miss populations
such as 'people who download emacs, try it for a minutes, and reject it
on that basis'.

OTOH emacs has had sufficient time to establish a reputation for itself,
so anyone taking the first step to download vanilla emacs can be
expected to already have an expectation of a 'learning curve' ahead and
a future of constant tinkering.

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* Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-08 10:49 Boruch Baum
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From: Boruch Baum @ 2020-09-08 10:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs-Devel List

On  Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:57:34 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:

> > If you don't want these features yourself and nobody else in the project
> > wants them either, the only way I can think of making a compelling
> > argument for people to develop those feature is to ask real people and
> > get real responses. I am fairly confident that if you had a testimony or
> > user-test from actual people stating that a feature is missing, then
> > people here would help develop that feature.
>
> I agree.  Before we put time into developing a feature, we should verify
> that many people would like it.
>
> Speaking of which, it would be useful to sit down with a new user just
> trying Emacs and see what perse actually complains about or requests.
> If several people do this, it could give us useful ideas of what changes
> would actually make Emacs more appealing to new users.

How about using existing download statistics from some source like
MELPA? That would be more empirical / less anecdotal, and would cast a
wider net. Other data sources might be link-click-quantity from github
or google analytics or stackexchange.

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* Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-07  9:31 Boruch Baum
  2020-09-07 10:11 ` Ergus
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From: Boruch Baum @ 2020-09-07  9:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs-Devel List

 On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 00:20:08 +0200, Ergus wrote:

> There will be never an agreement about changing defaults with long
> ...
> So what if:
> ...
> Does this makes sense?

Debian (and possibly other downstream projects) liberally change
defaults and add packages to their default version of emacs, so your
idea might meet a more enthusiastic reception somewhere in some
downstream project that caters more specifically to the user-base to
which your proposal is aimed.

In the case of Debian, that project may have already started moving in
the *opposite* direction; they culled many small debian-specific tweaks,
and removed packages from their 'vanilla' default version of emacs. On
the other hand, they've increased and somewhat standardized native
package-manager support for many third-party packages that most users
get MELPA or other third-parties.

Communicating with people at the following links might help advance your
proposal:

  https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude

  http://wikemacs.org/wiki/Starter_Kits


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2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-08 17:45   ` TEC
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2020-09-08 19:28     ` tomas
2020-09-08 20:31       ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:01         ` Stefan Kangas
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2020-09-08 22:26               ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:35         ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 16:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 16:22       ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 16:45       ` TEC
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2020-09-10 10:47           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 17:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:56               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 18:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:48                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  5:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 21:01                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 21:21                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 21:34                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 21:36                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 22:19                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 21:46                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11  4:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:04                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  7:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:44                             ` tomas
2020-09-11 10:27                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:26                                 ` tomas
2020-09-11 15:19                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:50                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  8:41                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 10:30                                 ` tomas
2020-09-13 10:59                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 11:38                                     ` tomas
2020-09-13 12:53                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-13 15:05                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 16:17                                         ` Ergus
2020-09-13 16:38                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 12:15                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:40                                     ` tomas
2020-09-14 18:45                                   ` chad
2020-09-15  8:12                                     ` tomas
2020-09-15 18:27                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 21:17                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 20:45                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 21:22                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 23:32                                         ` Alan Third
2020-09-13 14:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:05                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 18:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:17                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 19:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:18                                           ` bug#43405: Tool bar item doesn't align to the right edge Juri Linkov
2020-09-14 19:34                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 18:14                                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-15 18:39                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-16 19:29                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-17  9:03                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-17 13:45                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-17 14:43                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-17 14:54                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-17 15:24                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-17 15:33                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-18  8:38                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-18  8:58                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-21 18:30                                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-21 19:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-21 20:07                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-22 14:39                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 15:14                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-22 15:26                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:53                                             ` spvk
2020-09-11 10:30                           ` Changes for emacs 28 Ergus
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:36                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:45                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 19:17                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  3:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  8:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:00                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:23                             ` Ergus
2020-09-11 18:29                               ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:12                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 19:23                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 20:07                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 20:37                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  3:59                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 21:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 16:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 12:24                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 22:48                     ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  4:07                         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:49                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  9:53                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-11 21:51                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 17:53                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:09                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 21:05                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 21:40                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-12  7:54                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  6:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  9:04                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11  9:19                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 13:52                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:10                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 14:26                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 10:36                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:39                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 11:20                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  7:49                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 20:24                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 19:17                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 18:44                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 19:34                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  5:11                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  5:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  4:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 18:12             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-09 19:28         ` tomas
2020-09-09 21:33         ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09 22:19           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 11:20         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 11:27           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 11:57             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:52             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  6:07               ` TEC
2020-09-12  3:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:21               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:13         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:14         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 16:57       ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:08         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 17:16           ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:25         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 17:34         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-10  9:09         ` "modern" colors " Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:20           ` Ergus
2020-09-10 10:29             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 11:08               ` Ergus
2020-09-10 12:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 13:17                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10 13:55                     ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 14:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:40                       ` Ergus
2020-09-10 18:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:58                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:15                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 13:42                   ` Ergus
2020-09-11 14:13                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 14:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:36                       ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-11 22:14                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  6:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  9:03                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 10:19                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:51                               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13 14:21                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:40                                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13  4:06                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:24                           ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 11:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:41                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:29                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:36                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 15:43                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:25                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13  4:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  8:53                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  3:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14  8:08                                     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  9:46                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-14 15:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 15:48                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 10:13                         ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-12 11:13                         ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 12:26                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:27                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 14:52                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 15:37                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 17:26                               ` TEC
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2020-09-12 18:27                                   ` TEC
2020-09-12 19:57                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  5:53                                     ` TEC
2020-09-12 21:22                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:49                                     ` TEC
2020-09-15  6:54                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16  2:49                                         ` TEC
2020-09-13  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  9:04                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 10:17                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 14:26                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 14:43                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 15:22                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13  9:16                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-12 19:46                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  1:14                                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-15  6:54                                     ` toggle-light-dark-mode (was: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28) Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-15 17:51                                       ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-15 19:03                                         ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-15 20:10                                           ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-16 19:31                                             ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:14                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-16 20:32                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:59                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Stefan Monnier
2020-09-17 14:34                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 17:43                             ` "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 19:53                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 19:59                                 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:09                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:07                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 20:13                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 15:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 16:22                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 16:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:49                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 20:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 21:43                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:18                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:26                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:16                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:24                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 14:44                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:45                                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 17:15                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 17:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:47                                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 20:20                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  7:40                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 14:34                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 14:50                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 15:51                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:01                                                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:05                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:11                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 16:31                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 14:18                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:47                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 16:07                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:35                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 14:38                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:46                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 14:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15  6:54                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 23:29                     ` Philip K.
2020-09-12 11:10                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 11:44                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:46                         ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:24                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 13:16                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 13:55                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 14:31                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13  0:17                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 14:52                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  0:44                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  6:26   ` TEC
2020-09-09 15:43     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
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2020-09-13 15:56                       ` Drew Adams
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2020-09-10 23:14 ` Ergus
2020-09-11  1:38   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  6:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:57       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:24           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:12               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 16:30                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-12 18:29                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:03                     ` Ergus
2020-09-12 20:08                       ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 15:16           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 15:36               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:20                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 18:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14  7:37                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14  7:53                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 11:54                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 12:15                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 13:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 15:12                           ` Andreas Schwab
2020-09-11  6:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:36         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 11:09             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:19               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:32                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:19                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:57                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:15                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 21:00                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 21:17                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 22:29                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  2:01                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 12:59                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  3:57                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  9:49                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-13 14:30                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 17:36                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 17:43                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 10:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:51                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 17:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14 18:01                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  4:43                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 11:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16  5:05                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 11:59                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:37                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:02                                   ` T.V Raman
2020-09-11 23:02                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  6:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 11:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:36                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:42                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:37                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 16:46                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:56                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:21                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:59       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 11:17         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  8:36           ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 10:15     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:02         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 14:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:47           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 21:29             ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:22               ` Ergus
2020-09-12  6:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  8:27                   ` Ergus
2020-09-12  8:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  9:38                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  3:20   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:28     ` Ergus
2020-09-13  4:07       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 10:47         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:51           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 14:28   ` Achilles Yuce
2020-09-12 14:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
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2020-09-10 17:14       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 13:08 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 11:52 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 12:50 ` João Távora
2020-09-08 15:57   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 14:42 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-08 11:01 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 10:49 Boruch Baum
2020-09-07  9:31 Boruch Baum
2020-09-07 10:11 ` Ergus
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2020-09-06 13:37 ` Ergus
2020-09-06 14:44   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 15:00     ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-09-06 15:43       ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-06 17:07       ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:11         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 18:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07  2:17           ` chad
2020-09-07 18:16             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:35       ` Tim Van den Langenbergh
2020-09-09 20:47         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 20:49     ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-06 22:20       ` Ergus
2020-09-07  2:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-07  5:57         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08  2:55           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  6:54         ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07  7:37         ` tomas
2020-09-08  0:50           ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-09-08  7:40             ` tomas
2020-09-07 13:02       ` Bastien
2020-09-06 14:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-06 16:34     ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:22       ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-06 19:32       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 20:38         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 21:30           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07  8:38             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-07  9:37               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 10:14                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-07 10:28                   ` Joost Kremers
2020-09-07 18:07               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:33                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-06 21:51           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 22:01             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]               ` <J5037qlQU1lUXaS3RFoxh0fHjlW1RtXM6rRWSe9JEV4v5QZwePbZ4HbfYworbqep-qtRPuJeHK5NxczkWcDGnA==@protonmail.internalid>
2020-09-06 22:32               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-07  2:12                 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-07 10:13                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 12:44                     ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-07 13:23                       ` Eric S Fraga
2020-09-06 22:37               ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-07  0:10               ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-07  1:22               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-07 10:26                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07  2:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-07 12:31                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 12:45                   ` tomas
2020-09-07 13:05                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 14:03                     ` Ergus
2020-09-07 14:45                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08  2:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 15:37                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 15:54                         ` Ergus
2020-09-07 16:43                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-07 21:04                     ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-07 22:07                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-08  9:43                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-08  2:58                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  7:46               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 11:22               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 15:04                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-09 15:44                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 16:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 17:30                       ` Ergus
2020-09-11  4:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:18                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-10  1:48                     ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-09-09 16:01                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10  3:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 17:01                   ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:32                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-11 10:36                       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:55                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11 11:13                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:12                             ` Philip K.
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2020-09-11 12:42                               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 15:59                                 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-12  3:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:52                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 11:52                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 12:11                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 12:15                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 13:24                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 16:15                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 12:00                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 12:26                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 12:52                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 13:04                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 13:39                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:16                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 14:51                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 14:56                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 15:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 15:28                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 18:22                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:46                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:51                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]                 ` <4f8a1a11-51e4-48af-a240-123cb2e45c74@default>
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2020-09-09 16:23                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 18:36                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10 18:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10  2:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 13:58           ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 14:25             ` Ergus
2020-09-07 15:19               ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 16:31                 ` Ergus
2020-09-08  8:34               ` Mario Lang
2020-09-08  2:57             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  4:13               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  4:53                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08  5:33                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  7:26                     ` tomas
2020-09-08 15:50                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09  4:19                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 14:35                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 15:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 15:39                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 16:01                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10 11:32                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-09-10 11:42                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  5:38                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10  2:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 10:21               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  8:58       ` João Távora
2020-09-08  2:59         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  3:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 11:13           ` João Távora
2020-09-08 11:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-09  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-06 15:06   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-06 16:35     ` Ergus
2020-09-06 16:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 17:14         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:11           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 19:05             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 21:52               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08  8:25   ` Mario Lang
2020-09-08 14:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 14:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 15:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:30         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 16:56           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 22:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:16           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:21       ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09  3:44     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 17:14   ` Philip K.
2020-09-10  9:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10  9:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 15:08       ` Philip K.
2020-09-10 15:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:50   ` Tassilo Horn
2020-09-11 15:44     ` Philip K.

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