From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:09:11 +0200 Message-ID: <20200817150911.GA31312@tuxteam.de> References: <87364pbkn0.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfihe0zf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <874kp55l8t.fsf@gnus.org> <36ed8579.3c38.173fb016f00.Coremail.m_pupil@163.com> <20200817082315.GB13459@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32395"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 17 17:52:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7hRD-0008LF-Kt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:52:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44358 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7hRC-00054U-MW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:52:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49416) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7glB-0000zP-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:44654) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7gl9-0002Ox-Ks for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:09:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=FvxZHWpGbMsMV+CAnafC/ncZmWRGkfKTBrHZ198FIzw=; b=pHwuJ2RjMByG8LYAl/3Ak7pKl650Zrj8plb7+3264wgjsm4hj3dpUHAuE18Ca5VXTnWHWMkrqh3d1yMneEo1M4B/Dpvf39++qCsBQMyu0xFF45ZH4jdY4v6r/rVEzFl/GPcS5Qw9wGA7b4UbGtiJS8W2q8e0qF4ALD8X7HlZ38PxQyzk9WH6Qk3p33/EGyYaE3bXCVPa9o3rrE1AwgBqOKVT2eUQemWhIj8K+HFD67l890rs6f78aZfiHZ/EMtLYeQjNv63e/z7SPm7CV7Naekh19daJPpbeniDMW7sUEglu13A/g+FwFR2WBQrJTva9+Idaoxkc8AFavw3I/rwGeQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1k7gl5-0008CW-85 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:09:11 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/17 11:09:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253889 Archived-At: --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 12:30:41PM +0000, Gregory Heytings via Emacs develo= pment discussions. wrote: >=20 > > > >He explains the drawbacks of this approach: Google doesn't *want* > >that the app's users see the password. But the app is free > >software, so *we* want that the users see everything in the app. > > >=20 > That's what Google's official terms of service state. But in > practice this is not enforced [...] I think this is what's normally depicted in the "boiling frog" metaphor [1]. If Google makes the transition too abruptly, they may lose some users. If they do it slowly, the users will follow along, albeit grumbling. Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog - t --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl86nZcACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZb4gCbBEI9SaLUp8Zgnjtrmd8TZc6d rhkAn3EnUVn+3W2kVng500b43UkcNNTY =Vi5h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb--