On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 01:40:54PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> On 17.07.2020 11:13, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> >I already weighted in, but in case that wasn't clear: while I think
> >that "layering" and "abstraction" is a useful structuring technique
> >when building up complex systems, the interfaces themselves have to
> >be subject to negotiation, as everything else.
> 
> How does this apply to this particular discussion? If you have a
> better suggestions for the interfaces, I'm all ears.

Hm. I haven't delved in the details, and I think it'd be useless:
Eli and you are both light-years smarter than me -- I just have
the feeling that Eli has a perspective there that you don't, just
because he's as deep in Emacs as few of us are; as current maintainer
his job is to favour overall consistency over perhaps bright, but
perhaps less understandable devices.

> >And Dmitry -- as much respect as I have for your technical skills,
> >I think you're pushing it a bit too hard.
> 
> I'm pushing because it's not the first time this kind of thing
> happened, and that has been negatively affecting my ability to
> contribute. I have to draw a line somewhere. Compromises aren't
> working, Eli simply skips past them.

I konw Eli can be stubborn :) But he's also extremely patient.

> And because that move: "please explain -- I write 3 screenfuls --
> no, you didn't explain anything", is infuriating.

I understand. Just give Eli the benefit of the doubt. I am certain
that there is no bad intention there. On both sides.

Cheers
-- t