From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:29:26 +0200 Message-ID: <20200606102926.GD28645@tuxteam.de> References: <874krvup4i.fsf@gnu.org> <835zcag76g.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftbenz0p.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo4k8r9s.fsf@gnu.org> <20200606095851.GB28645@tuxteam.de> <83v9k48pwn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="42727"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 06 12:30:19 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jhW5j-000B62-69 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 12:30:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36690 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhW5i-0005jM-8T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhW4v-0005B1-8r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:29:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:58981) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhW4u-0005H0-EV; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 06:29:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=NZDO85cWm6d2xSNQ3o9BRK6dOLt7U3cMXakUS68K/6c=; b=mnvGrurh8cpDVbw1DKdkeQyWbVhQ6wHYrFFXBjkUe3PTUcPhT274Z3xHWIBOWL/LuYgi3UEV23J0xn/imVYydCIC8qWiC2i2isdNqC0BhKkd8bGxMgNqpGaPA/ouoiJsEPBTHUZJPcNYg0YNQYVmbgVqbAM6wucE0UMUMHPWLwzSh4SBLIpQvkxsfh9G+qb7mLBaQQSQnnnoD2Mukthc9Ls1JnWU3sqM3bHG4jpGbVAs2lMfCZvdcyhH+m/V+zkRgN2ETxjg892JuI7a+K1NaSRX+RqR0ag+oAR4UXTHD1wOEShSCITn4tHavJG+MYlcaFOE3bh/7YAJbOo/j7IFiw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jhW4s-0000GL-CI; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 12:29:26 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83v9k48pwn.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/06 05:58:51 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251945 Archived-At: --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 01:11:36PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: Hi, Sorry, just a short answer now -- pressed at the moment. Will come back today later. > > Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 11:58:51 +0200 > > From: > >=20 > > That said, as far as I understand the collaborative editing folks, [...] > > Think several people doodling simultaneously over a shared blackboard. >=20 > Someone will have to explain why this is useful. Yup, that's the problem. This isn't the way I enjoy doing things either (so I'm not the most qualified to answer that question, but I feel your pain), but people *love* pushing around an Etherpad [1] URL and just collaboratively hack away at something. Perhaps because it doesn't force them to change the way they interact too much. It's a bit like sitting around a sand pit and putting sticks and stones and drawing doodles around them. You don't take turns at this either, and if you step onto some other's doodle, a side channel (she pushes you out of the sand pit or yells at you ;-) is used. Luckily Etherpad is free software Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etherpad -- tom=C3=A1s --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl7bcAYACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZB/wCcCR2WMHHCMzfEET+uHL+N8T5i JbUAn2e4jevJ9srSbEb7rX44GHPxSyOj =qE/U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu--