From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:04:04 +0200 Message-ID: <20200521100404.GF26656@tuxteam.de> References: <87pnb7sira.fsf@red-bean.com> <06bcddd4-6991-e4f7-e944-93de14af263d@yandex.ru> <87h7wjsd8o.fsf@red-bean.com> <20897f01-122d-7f91-eac2-70f5ad75796f@yandex.ru> <87d077qfmm.fsf@red-bean.com> <87y2pmw9ld.fsf@red-bean.com> <6e4190a4-765d-6abd-1ae2-8c1432c29d65@yandex.ru> <20200521080349.GC26656@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="87295"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 21 12:04:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbi4F-000MVr-ML for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 12:04:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45260 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbi4E-0000Ev-Od for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 06:04:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbi3c-0007kt-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 06:04:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:39778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbi3b-0007Ii-6G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 06:04:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=9xexaY7n/I7aNcOIMU3TKd7WsB+DT1NchoNilHYUHI8=; b=Wh7C6jsmVoqh2gIkrayav+copEe3r+uyN7WAd45WMGHEEOz/QP6QXcucgrh/p2soeey0TdeV1YuyG30iC86MK3UhTSLXhl7mOcz+VH3E1V1EgPB7eFE2a4f+cF8sEfbKP8T0J7VW8MbmRGaTMdZ+4fM/Vbh918lqCfZtp5AM9apupkMeph5cMucnfNG9wRIDopaBP9s09iXCwy6gycT3rhiXhr35wUAAzpUoFmCugbVpiK33ISY6LzuDrDf18cpWaqqjvWST76/Aqzur82OgHExjsDpPuc9BDrtbBXfVWnSgvhKbxOhLheie2AyTJszkHGpX7awtDNqCm8UXwCJ+kQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jbi3Y-000185-S5; Thu, 21 May 2020 12:04:04 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/21 03:43:55 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251163 Archived-At: --wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:33:25AM +0200, Arthur Miller wrote: > writes: >=20 > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 01:07:41AM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: [...] > > So I'd expect a more complex community to have gathered around > > Emacs by now. > Why? :-) Because people just don't die that quickly [1] ;-P > > Basically, I think the main "asset" of a software project > > to be it's community [...] [...] > Indeed. But for anything to live long, it needs to adapt to changs, and > software/IT community changes rapidly. Fads, I tell you [2] ;-P > That seems to be basic law of > evolution. Emacs does not seem to adapt despite being super adaptable > software package so well. Is community big enough to be sustainable in > long term? > > In my eyes, Emacs is doing an outstanding job on that. > Personally I don't think Emacs will go extinct any time soon, neither, > but what will happen in next 40 years? Is it important though? But I > would like to see bigger community now so we get even more developers > and even better Emacs :-) Yes -- and part of the job is, whenever there is a complex community, discussing with them on what "better" means. And being prepared to accept that there are other opinions. Or forking. Both is OK. Heck, if you are careful about it, forking hasn't to be hostile. And it can be productive, too (cf. XEmacs). Cheers [1] that was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I am surprised that ask why a culture complexifies as it evolves. [2] Of course an exaggeration too. But look back: 1980 it was OO all-over-the-place (Smalltalk was picking height). Then it culminated with Java (which I call the 2000's COBOL). Then it was Hindley-Milner. Now it is leftpad -- uh -- npm. Emacs has seen those come and go :-) The art (and you *never* know you'll succeed at that) is to pick up *some* of that. -- tom=C3=A1s --wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl7GUhQACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaDMgCeLaM1VabFxViNzRBni/6kYGTz ML8AnRO35r0s6lpdwjzism+L2oxsJB6D =NgZ9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2--