From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ligatures Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 12:48:44 +0200 Message-ID: <20200519104844.GK7874@tuxteam.de> References: <20200519072250.GA7874@tuxteam.de> <87lflol5oy.fsf@fastmail.fm> <20200519080705.GF7874@tuxteam.de> <20200519.124306.427496163366479705.wl@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SCOJXUq1iwCn05li" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="18166"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Werner LEMBERG Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 19 12:49:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jazoX-0004bU-KH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 12:49:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42602 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jazoW-0003Zn-NF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 06:49:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40874) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaznl-00038C-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 06:48:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:33937) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaznj-0006rF-Pa; Tue, 19 May 2020 06:48:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=7u3Cclp7eKXoqagVtkxBZK7jSgXyoQdyuTTNcO+TD5E=; b=arblLdiyIXy2peTxFKrmQ3AjDLukkP/DSp7NgbMN/DzQrAot21QFPZ21O86CcbZQdV7U+6s339nnsSCaH1vC9TJf5iJg7jfCrBA8jNojkEPpoiI60Y28XjajvD6gWydj57cVZdDy2dRI+6bnDz6te4NCrRuX4jCO5AzvsctvNSi5BnBRfVU2Uez20bh734520qzZndNmJTeQ7a9W0De9y0snY5630nnXmGbakUItdlH+FQa1tR1n5G34JamozFGwGZIVCasrLS0t5wMDAr9ekBqLScYbhawFJzalSit9ZtqoJuFnGqt4gReGOrWB2UPm/QzVLuQThppYUKCXPJREmg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jazng-0004hr-EH; Tue, 19 May 2020 12:48:44 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200519.124306.427496163366479705.wl@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/19 06:34:47 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250905 Archived-At: --SCOJXUq1iwCn05li Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:43:06PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: [...] > Well, if your family name is 'Dre=C3=9Fen', you don't want to see your na= me > written as 'DRESSEN' in your passport (which usually requires > uppercase for family names): All German speakers would pronounce the > first 'e' as a short vowel instead of the correct long one. Exactly > for this situation =E2=80=93 and for hardly anything else =E2=80=93 you s= hould write > 'DRE=E1=BA=9EEN'. Yes, I know -- that's why such things change slowly. But the Swiss prove that it works. We're used to having things which are written the same and pronounced differently, anyway. One more wouldn't change things. Note that I'm not advocating [1] for dropping the '=C3=9F'. I'm just betting that it might happen rather sooner than later. Cheers [1] I've enough to do advocating free software ;-D -- t --SCOJXUq1iwCn05li Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl7DuYwACgkQBcgs9XrR2kY1MwCdENWUviKH30jGONRJ22VBc/AY fiIAnRXMpwNBc+rSTrzOJqp7VTAUOKOW =9Fv9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SCOJXUq1iwCn05li--