From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ligatures Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:07:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20200519080705.GF7874@tuxteam.de> References: <20200517165953.000044d2@web.de> <83lflqblp0.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftbybio3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zha69xs2.fsf@gnu.org> <83367x9qeq.fsf@gnu.org> <875zcs32fv.fsf@Otto.invalid> <20200519072250.GA7874@tuxteam.de> <87lflol5oy.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="75973"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 19 10:11:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaxLo-000Jax-3O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 10:11:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44498 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaxLn-0000I5-5Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 04:11:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaxHO-0003yt-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 04:07:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:33602) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaxHN-00032O-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 04:07:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=EltXSoWepuV/J4Z+zKiexNd2erXnEB3phqr0RnDlaqM=; b=d8/BbwyGVYSH6HzEfXZXfyg8M7PYy2Tkf7MirHNBZiPcv/duoTkHjlZtQ41QcGXqSvHVFEAeeBz1gm/pANvIKUr9ZaitdkUuGozlbfi5QUXlSonCx4BFPsIoaz4oIkaAyRxWREKIvGuRssVrtfHuIB7Ip+NJ7x6xCZl8yPCoyrNAe/ldBvGM4cowZ1h9T/tJ9tZomHjOxBtWYDR1H1BdtHXHzxVzRq2u7kObV8L1Zybq85x6cprkjzqDIdfWCZsj7IY7LS46RAyDmLpy1EOZngXcNAK4qmgzJViHWr8y9inig6Q4iIfBP+B6aRjXFvXd5xLezqr8db+v/aYHryxTHw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jaxHF-0002kR-Hf; Tue, 19 May 2020 10:07:05 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87lflol5oy.fsf@fastmail.fm> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/19 03:22:51 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250890 Archived-At: --8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 09:55:25AM +0200, Joost Kremers wrote: >=20 > On Tue, May 19 2020, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > >There's no capital version of "=C3=9F", you use "SS" (thus breaking > >bijectivity of upper- and lowercase). >=20 > Actually, uppercase =E1=BA=9E was accepted into the official German spell= ing > in 2017: >=20 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%E1%BA%9E (cf. last line of > Section "History"). Yes, Officially. Nearly nobody uses it. If I had to bet, I'd expect '=C3=9F' to disappear and be replaced by 'ss', as the Swiss do before uppercase =C3=9F has a chance :-) But we disgress: I was just trying to highlight how much cultural bias there is in one's view of seemingly technical things. When talking ligatures, one should try to first understand what crazy stuff other languages have to take care of. I wish I could say a thing or two about Devanagari or Hangul [1], but knowledge is just too limited. Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul for another example where you stack stuff in two dimensions -- t --8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl7Dk6kACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaPIgCfYATCThT72N8BwX/xJIqNjRyK FB8AnjBKzaa6pJ5DMpSxtLDNOTMdkEi5 =C2i1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf--