From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Dan Sommers <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How can i enable webmode? Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: <20200510125547.5382c9bf80ec29188688d990@potatochowder.com> References: <008d9cd4-8d24-f19b-82ad-d5c1bf7a435f@posteo.net> <86d07b6a4w.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="112413"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: aprekates , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 10 18:56:22 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXpFV-000T7n-RE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:56:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35178 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXpFU-0006y0-CE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 12:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1jXpFA-0006xc-Cb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 12:56:00 -0400 Original-Received: from www458.your-server.de ([136.243.165.62]:49416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1jXpF8-0007Zd-CV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 12:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: from sslproxy06.your-server.de ([78.46.172.3]) by www458.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1jXpF0-0006K0-H4; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:55:50 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.58.175.121] (helo=scrozzle) by sslproxy06.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1jXpEz-000TD2-Sc; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:55:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86d07b6a4w.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Authenticated-Sender: 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.102.2/25808/Sun May 10 14:11:51 2020) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.243.165.62; envelope-from=2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com; helo=www458.your-server.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/10 12:55:50 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123061 Archived-At: On Sun, 10 May 2020 18:13:35 +0200 dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) wrote: > For example the Melpa package `inform' is activating itsel during > installation (and maybe by restarting Emacs in some situations). The > motivation is: If you are interested you'll have it without much ado > and if you don't like it any more just uninstall the small package. > Does it make sense or do you regard this behaviour as impolite? In a word, impolite. IMO. YMMV. I don't know what `inform' does or which underlying mechanism `inform' uses to activate itself, but does it clean up after itself (cleanly and completely) when you uninstall it, or does it leave "harmless" code somewhere where it might be dangerous later? Does it have better-than-reasonable default behavior, and whose opinion? This came up, oh, I don't know, years ago in terms of new Emacs features. Should they be enabled by default, so that new users don't have to start with a 15 (or 30) year old system and add the modern conveniences they expected out of the box? Or should they be disabled, so that experienced users aren't annoyed by someone else's shiny objects?