From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: <20200430205440.GB4287@ACM> References: <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429172739.GB4002@ACM> <20200430115108.GA4287@ACM> <20200430123855.GA1444@tuxteam.de> <20200430185819.GC16852@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="89099"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, Emacs developers To: Philippe Vaucher Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 30 22:56:30 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUGEP-000N5L-Lt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:56:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48638 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUGEO-0002TZ-HT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47580) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUGCn-0000Ym-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:54:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUGCl-0002xQ-CU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:54:48 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:17787 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUGCk-0002nu-Ec for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:54:46 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 93893 invoked by uid 3782); 30 Apr 2020 20:54:41 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4FE15A0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.90.10]) by localhost.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:54:40 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 11042 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Apr 2020 20:54:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/30 16:54:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = FreeBSD 9.x or newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248276 Archived-At: Hello, Philippe. On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 21:13:58 +0200, Philippe Vaucher wrote: [ .... ] > Yes, you're right sorry I was steaming. The fact that Alan Mackenzie > never apologized for his ugly behavior left me with a taste of revenge, > I'd fix that. First of all, let's note that your English is so good that you're either a native speaker of it (as I am), or might as well be. You know full well the difference between saying "we CAN make aliases to the old names" and "we COULD make aliases to the old names". You wrote the first, thus suggesting you were about to stomp ahead and do it. You also understand full well the difference between "never apologized" and "hasn't apologized". So you reject any apology from me in advance, because you didn't get it within your own rather tight time scale. I'll apologise anyway. My post, the objectionable one, opened up a debate which had to take place, and might well not have done so without it. You weren't the only person who was "steaming". What I saw was a relative newcomer to the group (sorry, I still don't know your past and present) proposing to turn Emacs Lisp upside down for some uncertain benefit on an uncertain timescale, and not about to wait on any objections. My thanking you this morning for your response was quite sincere. You could quite easily have just ignored my post. Nevertheless, I apologise for that post (not for my "behavior"), both to you and to the group, in that it was too personal and too aggressive, and imputed motives to yourself which were unjustified. [ .... ] > Kind regards, > Philippe -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).