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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:54:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200430205440.GB4287@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGK7Mr5D+q-dsSwUn3u2m0Fd0BmWwd1YiWxzPyX9GPge3duU2w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Philippe.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 21:13:58 +0200, Philippe Vaucher wrote:

[ .... ]

> Yes, you're right sorry I was steaming. The fact that Alan Mackenzie
> never apologized for his ugly behavior left me with a taste of revenge,
> I'd fix that.

First of all, let's note that your English is so good that you're either
a native speaker of it (as I am), or might as well be.

You know full well the difference between saying "we CAN make aliases to
the old names" and "we COULD make aliases to the old names".  You wrote
the first, thus suggesting you were about to stomp ahead and do it.

You also understand full well the difference between "never apologized"
and "hasn't apologized".  So you reject any apology from me in advance,
because you didn't get it within your own rather tight time scale.  I'll
apologise anyway.

My post, the objectionable one, opened up a debate which had to take
place, and might well not have done so without it.  You weren't the only
person who was "steaming".  What I saw was a relative newcomer to the
group (sorry, I still don't know your past and present) proposing to turn
Emacs Lisp upside down for some uncertain benefit on an uncertain
timescale, and not about to wait on any objections.

My thanking you this morning for your response was quite sincere.  You
could quite easily have just ignored my post.

Nevertheless, I apologise for that post (not for my "behavior"), both to
you and to the group, in that it was too personal and too aggressive, and
imputed motives to yourself which were unjustified.

[ .... ]

> Kind regards,
> Philippe

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-30 20:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 238+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-28 13:01 [ELPA] New package: transient Jonas Bernoulli
     [not found] ` <jwv4kt3d1r8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li>
     [not found]     ` <jwvh7x3bfoe.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li>
2020-04-29  8:29         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29  9:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29  9:50             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 10:05               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:17                 ` tomas
2020-04-29 10:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:52                     ` tomas
2020-04-30 12:44                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-30 13:28                         ` tomas
2020-04-30 14:26                           ` Namespacing Emacs's core (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 15:08                             ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:23                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:56                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:02                                 ` tomas
2020-04-30  2:30                   ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-05-01  2:49                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01  6:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02  2:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02  7:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02  8:09                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02  9:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02  9:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:11                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:33                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:56                                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:59                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:09                                         ` Use elisp--xref-backend in *Apropos* and *Help* (Was Re: [ELPA] New package: transient) João Távora
2020-05-02 14:03                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03  2:08                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 11:22                                         ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:52                                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:08                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:09                                           ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:14                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:22                                               ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:54                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 17:33                                     ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04  3:07                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 16:04                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02  9:53                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:39                                   ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:10                                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:17                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:39                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:02                                           ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:11                                             ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:20                                               ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:36                                                 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:59                                                   ` João Távora
2020-05-02 13:02                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:12                                                     ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:28                                               ` tomas
2020-05-02 12:22                                           ` tomas
2020-05-03  3:43                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03  4:24                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04  3:08                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 17:48                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 14:50                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 14:57                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-02 17:42                                     ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 10:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:47                                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 15:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:51                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 16:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:59                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:10                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 14:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:26                                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 15:29                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:43                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:05                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:12                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:26                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:42                                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 18:27                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  3:43                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03  7:47                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 19:46                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 21:18                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 22:04                                               ` João Távora
2020-05-04  0:41                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04  3:09                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:48                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 17:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:10                                         ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:30                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:37                                             ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:45                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 19:12                                                 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:44                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 18:32                                           ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:41                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 20:39                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 21:00                                           ` João Távora
2020-05-02 21:53                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 22:13                                               ` João Távora
2020-05-04  3:07                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 21:27                                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:03                                             ` João Távora
2020-05-03 15:11                                               ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-03 15:28                                               ` C-h f and C-h v (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:41                                                 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 17:44                                                   ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:21                                               ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:17                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 16:32                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 21:13                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:52                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:14                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:55                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 18:41                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 18:58                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:23                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 16:47                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:04                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 17:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:42                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 18:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04  0:04                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 19:49                                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-03 23:47                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04  1:01                                                           ` João Távora
2020-05-04  1:28                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 18:05                                                               ` João Távora
2020-05-04 14:24                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:23                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 16:00                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:31                                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04  1:13                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-04 14:22                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05  8:23                                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 14:48                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 15:39                                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:13                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:33                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 15:44                                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:40                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05  8:27                                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-03 21:04                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:51                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50                                               ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:54                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:43                                                   ` João Távora
2020-05-04  3:08                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 18:57                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:15                                         ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:59                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 20:47                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:22                                   ` João Távora
2020-04-29 13:12                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:42                   ` tomas
2020-04-29 13:50                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:03                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-29 19:25                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:51                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-29 19:24                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:53                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-29 14:01                       ` tomas
2020-04-29 14:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:25                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:13                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:19                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:41                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 19:26                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:34                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 22:47                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 22:20                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01  3:13                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01  3:15                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 15:36                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 16:05                                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02  2:27                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02  7:07                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02  8:06                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 17:08                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-04-30 19:31                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 17:27                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:01                     ` tomas
2020-04-29 19:31                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 11:51                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-30 12:38                         ` tomas
2020-04-30 17:30                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 17:53                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:42                               ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:41                             ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:14                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:58                             ` tomas
2020-04-30 19:13                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:33                                 ` tomas
2020-04-30 20:54                                 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2020-04-30 22:46                                   ` chad
2020-05-02  2:27                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01  8:23                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02  2:24                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 22:04                               ` Keeping it kind Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-01  7:17                                 ` tomas
2020-05-01  8:31                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02  2:24                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02  2:27                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01  2:51                       ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 20:02                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-30  1:08                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 13:19                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 14:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 14:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30  2:28                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 13:32               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 13:43                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 14:17                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-29 14:19                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-30  2:28                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 15:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:48                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 16:05                     ` Drew Adams
2020-05-01 17:38                 ` João Távora
2020-05-01 18:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30  2:30               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 14:56           ` Drew Adams
2020-04-29 12:52         ` Adam Porter
2020-04-30  2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 10:50   ` Phil Sainty
2020-05-01  2:52     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01  5:36       ` Phil Sainty
2020-05-02  2:25         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02  2:30           ` T.V Raman
2020-05-01 10:40       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-01 15:16         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-02  2:24           ` Richard Stallman
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2020-04-30 11:43 Zhu Zihao
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