Viminfo for emacs

Viminfo for emacs

[Tim Johnson]

I've used terminal mode vim for years as my de facto general purpose 
editor on ubuntu.

Emacs in gui mode has been my programming editor.

I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil 
as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.

It lacks one thing, tho:

A lean, mean session handler that can, like viminfo, "remember" what 
line was last viewed for any recent file.

I think 'session would work, but I would use something with less code, 
if it were available.

Any recommendations?

-- 
Tim
tj49.com

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Štěpán Němec]

On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:37:54 -0800
Tim Johnson wrote:

> A lean, mean session handler that can, like viminfo, "remember" what
> line was last viewed for any recent file.
>
> I think 'session would work, but I would use something with less code,
> if it were available.
>
> Any recommendations?

save-place-mode

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Štěpán

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Tim Johnson]

On 4/1/20 12:20 AM, Štěpán Němec wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:37:54 -0800
> Tim Johnson wrote:
>
>> A lean, mean session handler that can, like viminfo, "remember" what
>> line was last viewed for any recent file.
>>
>> I think 'session would work, but I would use something with less code,
>> if it were available.
>>
>> Any recommendations?
> save-place-mode

Cool!

Built in and everything. Thank you Štěpán

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Tim
tj49.com

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Jude DaShiell]

There used to be a package in emacs that did that in emacs 24 I think
but subsequent emacs updates or lack of support for the package broke it
in subsequent updates.  It's been a while since I've used the package so
I can't remember its name either.

On Tue, 31 Mar 2020, Tim Johnson wrote:

> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:37:54
> From: Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com>
> To: MLEmacs <Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Subject: Viminfo for emacs
>
> I've used terminal mode vim for years as my de facto general purpose editor on
> ubuntu.
>
> Emacs in gui mode has been my programming editor.
>
> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil as part
> of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.
>
> It lacks one thing, tho:
>
> A lean, mean session handler that can, like viminfo, "remember" what line was
> last viewed for any recent file.
>
> I think 'session would work, but I would use something with less code, if it
> were available.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>

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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Jude DaShiell]

I think that may be the package I remember.

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020, ?t?p?n N?mec wrote:

> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 04:20:23
> From: ?t?p?n N?mec <stepnem@gmail.com>
> To: Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Viminfo for emacs
>
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:37:54 -0800
> Tim Johnson wrote:
>
> > A lean, mean session handler that can, like viminfo, "remember" what
> > line was last viewed for any recent file.
> >
> > I think 'session would work, but I would use something with less code,
> > if it were available.
> >
> > Any recommendations?
>
> save-place-mode
>
>

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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Jude DaShiell]

I think in earlier years a download had to be done to install
save-place-mode and since it's now built-in, maybe that's why the
downloaded package no longer worked.

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 12:44:32
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
> To: ?t?p?n N?mec <stepnem@gmail.com>, Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Viminfo for emacs
>
> I think that may be the package I remember.
>
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020, ?t?p?n N?mec wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 04:20:23
> > From: ?t?p?n N?mec <stepnem@gmail.com>
> > To: Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com>
> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> > Subject: Re: Viminfo for emacs
> >
> > On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:37:54 -0800
> > Tim Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > A lean, mean session handler that can, like viminfo, "remember" what
> > > line was last viewed for any recent file.
> > >
> > > I think 'session would work, but I would use something with less code,
> > > if it were available.
> > >
> > > Any recommendations?
> >
> > save-place-mode
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Tim Johnson]

On 4/1/20 8:44 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I think that may be the package I remember.
I added (save-place-mode 1) to my custom initfile, consequently emacs
saves "bookmark"  to ~/.emacs.d/places

and it's just what the doctor ordered. One line per file, as far I can see.

> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020, ?t?p?n N?mec wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 04:20:23
>> From: ?t?p?n N?mec <stepnem@gmail.com>
>> To: Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com>
>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: Viminfo for emacs
>>
>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:37:54 -0800
>> Tim Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> A lean, mean session handler that can, like viminfo, "remember" what
>>> line was last viewed for any recent file.
>>>
>>> I think 'session would work, but I would use something with less code,
>>> if it were available.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations?
>> save-place-mode
>>
>>
-- 
Tim
tj49.com

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro]

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Hi Tim,

Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:

> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil
> as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.

If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way to go is running
Emacs as a server once at system start-up and then use emacsclient
thereafter.  See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").


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<http://oitofelix.freeshell.org/>

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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:

>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal
>> mode emacs with evil as part of a custom config that
>> starts up at least as fast as vim.
>
> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way
> to go is running Emacs as a server once at system
> start-up and then use emacsclient thereafter.
> See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").

Another way is to invoke Emacs once and then never kill
that instance :)

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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro]

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Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> Another way is to invoke Emacs once and then never kill
> that instance :)

By the way, that’s how I do it. (The Emacs OS way!) :)

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<http://oitofelix.freeshell.org/>

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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Tim Johnson]

On 4/8/20 6:01 PM, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text 
editor wrote:
> Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
>
>>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal
>>> mode emacs with evil as part of a custom config that
>>> starts up at least as fast as vim.
>> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way
>> to go is running Emacs as a server once at system
>> start-up and then use emacsclient thereafter.
>> See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").
> Another way is to invoke Emacs once and then never kill
> that instance :)
That is how I handle my gui-based instance of emacs. However, I still 
like to use midnight command (mc) and I have always liked the way that 
you can launch vim from mc with the mc option of using a designated 
system editor. Thus my minimalist instance of emacs with evil acting 
kind of like a better vim than vim.

-- 
Tim
tj49.com

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Tim Johnson]

On 4/8/20 5:37 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>
>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil
>> as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.
> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way to go is running
> Emacs as a server once at system start-up and then use emacsclient
> thereafter.  See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").
Thanks Bruno. I had thought of that, but can emacs/emacsclient be run as 
a terminal app?

-- 
Tim
tj49.com

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro]

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Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:

> On 4/8/20 5:37 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil
>>> as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.
>> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way to go is running
>> Emacs as a server once at system start-up and then use emacsclient
>> thereafter.  See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").
> Thanks Bruno. I had thought of that, but can emacs/emacsclient be run
> as a terminal app?

Sure.  In fact you can have any number of emacsclient instances
(text-based and graphical) simultaneously connected to the same emacs
server: sharing buffers, settings and functionality.

-- 
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<http://oitofelix.freeshell.org/>

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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Perry Smith]

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On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro <oitofelix@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
> 
>> On 4/8/20 5:37 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil
>>>> as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.
>>> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way to go is running
>>> Emacs as a server once at system start-up and then use emacsclient
>>> thereafter.  See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").
>> Thanks Bruno. I had thought of that, but can emacs/emacsclient be run
>> as a terminal app?
> 
> Sure.  In fact you can have any number of emacsclient instances
> (text-based and graphical) simultaneously connected to the same emacs
> server: sharing buffers, settings and functionality.

On Linux, the default install for emacs uses GTK+.  GTK+ has a bug,
which is documented in the emacs code somewhere, that you can not
close the X windows connection.  The fix is to use emacs built with
Lucid.

So… if you go the route of emacs server but you discover that
sometimes you emacs server dies for no reason, try switching to the
Lucid version.

This bites, in particular when you export DISPLAY to another X server
that is no local.


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Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Tim Johnson]

On 4/10/20 1:42 PM, Perry Smith wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro <oitofelix@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 4/8/20 5:37 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>>>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil
>>>>> as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.
>>>> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way to go is running
>>>> Emacs as a server once at system start-up and then use emacsclient
>>>> thereafter.  See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").
>>> Thanks Bruno. I had thought of that, but can emacs/emacsclient be run
>>> as a terminal app?
>> Sure.  In fact you can have any number of emacsclient instances
>> (text-based and graphical) simultaneously connected to the same emacs
>> server: sharing buffers, settings and functionality.
> On Linux, the default install for emacs uses GTK+.  GTK+ has a bug,
> which is documented in the emacs code somewhere, that you can not
> close the X windows connection.  The fix is to use emacs built with
> Lucid.
>
> So… if you go the route of emacs server but you discover that
> sometimes you emacs server dies for no reason, try switching to the
> Lucid version.
>
> This bites, in particular when you export DISPLAY to another X server
> that is no local.

That's a darn good tip. A preliminary google turns out issues with lucid 
compiles and fontification with version ~24

Do you think that is still an issue with 26.3?

-- 
Tim
tj49.com

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Perry Smith]

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> On 4/10/20 1:42 PM, Perry Smith wrote:
>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro <oitofelix@gnu.org> wrote:
>>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On 4/8/20 5:37 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>>>>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil
>>>>>> as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.
>>>>> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way to go is running
>>>>> Emacs as a server once at system start-up and then use emacsclient
>>>>> thereafter.  See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").
>>>> Thanks Bruno. I had thought of that, but can emacs/emacsclient be run
>>>> as a terminal app?
>>> Sure.  In fact you can have any number of emacsclient instances
>>> (text-based and graphical) simultaneously connected to the same emacs
>>> server: sharing buffers, settings and functionality.
>> On Linux, the default install for emacs uses GTK+.  GTK+ has a bug,
>> which is documented in the emacs code somewhere, that you can not
>> close the X windows connection.  The fix is to use emacs built with
>> Lucid.
>> 
>> So… if you go the route of emacs server but you discover that
>> sometimes you emacs server dies for no reason, try switching to the
>> Lucid version.
>> 
>> This bites, in particular when you export DISPLAY to another X server
>> that is no local.
> 
> That's a darn good tip. A preliminary google turns out issues with lucid compiles and fontification with version ~24
> 
> Do you think that is still an issue with 26.3?

Its not an emacs bug actually but a GTK+ bug.  It bit me June 2019 (give or take)
and I remember trying the latest / greatest emacs at that time (which was not
the standard package on Ubuntu at the time).

Shamefully… I vaguely remember tracking this down before :-(  The bug is
many years old.

I no longer am using that particular set up.

I would suggest use the standard emacs and see if you get hit by the bug
and if you do, try Lucid.  Perhaps others can chime in about the fortification
issues you mention.

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[Perry Smith]

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Perry Smith <pedz@easesoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 4/10/20 1:42 PM, Perry Smith wrote:
>>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro <oitofelix@gnu.org> wrote:
>>>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/8/20 5:37 PM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>> Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> writes:
>>>>>>> I have recently put together a barebones terminal mode emacs with evil
>>>>>>> as part of a custom config that starts up at least as fast as vim.
>>>>>> If eventually your Emacs config becomes heavy, the way to go is running
>>>>>> Emacs as a server once at system start-up and then use emacsclient
>>>>>> thereafter.  See (info "(emacs) Emacs Server").
>>>>> Thanks Bruno. I had thought of that, but can emacs/emacsclient be run
>>>>> as a terminal app?
>>>> Sure.  In fact you can have any number of emacsclient instances
>>>> (text-based and graphical) simultaneously connected to the same emacs
>>>> server: sharing buffers, settings and functionality.
>>> On Linux, the default install for emacs uses GTK+.  GTK+ has a bug,
>>> which is documented in the emacs code somewhere, that you can not
>>> close the X windows connection.  The fix is to use emacs built with
>>> Lucid.
>>> 
>>> So… if you go the route of emacs server but you discover that
>>> sometimes you emacs server dies for no reason, try switching to the
>>> Lucid version.
>>> 
>>> This bites, in particular when you export DISPLAY to another X server
>>> that is no local.
>> 
>> That's a darn good tip. A preliminary google turns out issues with lucid compiles and fontification with version ~24
>> 
>> Do you think that is still an issue with 26.3?
> 
> Its not an emacs bug actually but a GTK+ bug.  It bit me June 2019 (give or take)
> and I remember trying the latest / greatest emacs at that time (which was not
> the standard package on Ubuntu at the time).
> 
> Shamefully… I vaguely remember tracking this down before :-(  The bug is
> many years old.
> 
> I no longer am using that particular set up.
> 
> I would suggest use the standard emacs and see if you get hit by the bug
> and if you do, try Lucid.  Perhaps others can chime in about the fortification
> issues you mention.

http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/src/xterm.c#n10058 <http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/src/xterm.c#n10058>

Re: Viminfo for emacs

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:14:48PM -0500, Perry Smith wrote:

[Gtk+ bug]

> Its not an emacs bug actually but a GTK+ bug.  It bit me June 2019 (give or take)
> and I remember trying the latest / greatest emacs at that time (which was not
> the standard package on Ubuntu at the time).
> 
> Shamefully… I vaguely remember tracking this down before :-(  The bug is
> many years old.

It could be [1]. Seems to still be there?

Cheers

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/221
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