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From: Jonas Bernoulli <jonas@bernoulli.cc>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Integrating package.el
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:32:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201bac3a1003010832n4973a6d5s29d3db5de84c4c41@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87635gqe8k.fsf@lifelogs.com>

(I am rather confused by the mixture of quoting styles.)

>>> Emacs could recognize the Version header and always track it internally
>>> when it loads a library file, maybe with a (version . "1.2") in the
>>> load-history.  That would help a lot, I think.

Absolutely. However this information is missing from a lot of
libraries. Also even
if library contain version information it is still uncommon that
libraries state what
version of their dependencies are actually required.  Cedet contains something
like this - has this portion of cedet been merged into 23.2?

If such an extended `require' form (or similar standardized information in the
library header) are not adopted there is no way to automatically extract this
information.

This means that maintainers of package repositories have to figure it
out manually
or just leave this information out completely.  I am mirroring 2100
packages - I won't
do it manually.

> SM> I personnally don't care about the behavior if the user tries to
> SM> activate two different versions of the same package in a given session.

If I remember correctly what he meant to say was that loading multiple versions
is a user error. Having multiple versions installed is still an option
as is choosing
a particular version by the user (as opposed to the sysadmin) at runtime.

> OK.  But I still think Emacs should record the version as I suggested
> whenever it finds it in a .el/.elc file.  It would help resolve many
> annoying user-level bugs by showing exactly what version of the library
> was loaded, not implied from the directory but directly from the version
> header.  Does that require lots of changes?

I agree. But as explained above this still doesn't help the package manager to
determine which version of a dependency is required.

-- Jonas




  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-01 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-26  2:55 Autoload from a web page? Lennart Borgman
2009-12-27  3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-27  3:24   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-28 18:48     ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-28 18:55       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29  1:32         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29  1:39           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29  2:45         ` joakim
2009-12-29  2:54           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29  4:52             ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29 22:25               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-30  6:13                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-30 18:06                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2009-12-30 18:30                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 19:10                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01  0:40                     ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:27                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-01 19:26                   ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-04 18:12                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 15:11           ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 18:46             ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 21:14               ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo (was: Autoload from a web page?) Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:21                 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-12-29 21:38                   ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:36                 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-30 16:15                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-31  5:32                     ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:18                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-03  5:38                       ` Integrating package.el (was Re: unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo) Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-04 17:55                         ` Integrating package.el Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-04 19:51                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05  5:02                             ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05  5:37                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-05 15:06                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 16:03                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:47                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 20:18                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:50                                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-06 20:45                                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-06 21:49                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-09  5:40                                       ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-09 14:32                                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-09 17:47                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 10:41                                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-10 11:33                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-10 14:04                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-10 16:00                                                   ` joakim
2010-01-10 20:43                                                     ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 20:07                                                   ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 21:24                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-10 23:02                                                       ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-11  3:28                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14  3:12                                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 11:40                                                         ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 17:17                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-02-22 19:22                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-22 20:36                                                             ` joakim
2010-02-23 22:25                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-02-24 21:20                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-25 20:05                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:59                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:32                                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli [this message]
2010-03-01 17:14                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 20:59                                                                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 17:39                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-02 18:46                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:19                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-02 13:34                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:37                                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 22:18                                                                       ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 22:30                                                                         ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 23:00                                                                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 13:38                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 20:13                                                                         ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-04  5:42                                                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-02 19:03                                                                       ` Davis Herring
2010-02-25 22:56                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-03-04  5:39                                                             ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04  7:29                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 18:27                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-05  4:41                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 13:54                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:29                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-04 18:33                                                                 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-07 22:58                                                                   ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04 20:39                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-07 23:16                                                                 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-08  3:17                                                                   ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-08 14:55                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-08 17:01                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-08 17:53                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:30                                                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-05  0:22                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:43                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:26                                                             ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 17:28                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 18:06                                                                 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-01 21:22                                                                   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-03 20:15                                                                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-03 20:22                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 22:21                                                                         ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-02 13:31                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:09                                                                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-11  3:09                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-12 20:06                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-12 21:37                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 15:50                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:42                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 17:51                                 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:43                                   ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 22:28                                     ` Gnus encouragement of GMail (was: Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus)) Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 17:27                               ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Reiner Steib
2010-01-05 18:03                               ` Integrating package.el Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 18:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:14                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05 20:04                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:19                                   ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-06 15:42                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 17:16                   ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01 19:21                     ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29  5:22         ` Autoload from a web page? Richard Stallman
2009-12-29  5:29           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-02 15:45             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-04  2:26               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-04 16:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 16:30   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 16:58     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 17:08       ` Lennart Borgman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-10 22:06 Integrating package.el MON KEY

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