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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: yyoncho@gmail.com, 38406@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#38406: 27.0.50; post-self-insert-hook does not hold its contract in cc-mode derived modes
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 22:24:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191206222459.GB3999@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83y2vpffyd.fsf@gnu.org>

Hello, Eli.

On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 20:48:26 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 18:28:42 +0000
> > Cc: yyoncho@gmail.com, 38406@debbugs.gnu.org
> > From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>

> > > There might be a misunderstanding on my part here.  Could you please
> > > explain how come electric-pair-post-self-insert-function is called
> > > twice if it isn't removed from the hook? where's the second (or the
> > > first) call?

> > The first call is an explicit call from c-electric-brace to
> > electric-pair-post-self-insert-function.  Depending on the changes to the
> > buffer this call causes (amongst other things), differing electric
> > actions are performed by c-electric-brace.  This call is itself a
> > workaround, there being no purpose designed function for this purpose in
> > elec-pair.el.

> > The second call happens when c-electric-brace run-hook's
> > post-self-insert-hook - _if_ electric-pair-post-self-insert-function
> > hasn't been filtered out of that hook.

> If you already call that particular function explicitly, then calling
> it one more time is indeed redundant.

No, it's not redundant.  It's positively harmful.

> But is this the case with all the other functions that you suggest to
> filter from post-self-insert-hook?

No.  They have individual reasons for being filtered out.  Don't forget
that this is a particularly sensitive hook, allowing hook functions to
interfere in an unsynchronised way with partially complete command
processing.

Let's go through them again:

  smie-blink-matching-open is inapplicable to CC Mode and just takes up
  processor cycles.

  electric-pair-post-self-insert-function we've already discussed.

  blink-paren-post-self-insert-function would do nothing anyhow, since
  blink-paren-function has been bound to nil - this is so that the actual
  blinking doesn't occur until the newly inserted brace is at its final
  position.

  electric-indent-post-self-insert-function is redundant and possibly
  harmful.

  electric-layout-post-self-insert-function is undocumented, thus likely
  to be harmful.  Its name suggests it is redundant.

  electric-quote-post-self-insert-function is undocumented, uncommented
  and obscure.  It is safer not to risk running it.

Given that the mechanism for filtering post-self-insert-hook is there,
why is there the resistance to filtering out redundant and effect-free
functions?

And how come functions without meaningful doc strings are allowed onto
Emacs hooks?

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).





  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-06 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-27 20:00 bug#38406: 27.0.50; post-self-insert-hook does not hold its contract in cc-mode derived modes yyoncho
2019-11-30 14:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-01 10:02   ` yyoncho
2019-12-01 15:07     ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-01 15:27       ` yyoncho
2019-12-01 15:58         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-01 18:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 18:37             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-01 17:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-01 19:27         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-01 20:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 18:31             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-02 20:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-04 20:41             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-04 21:04               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-05 19:14                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-05 20:44                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-05 14:45               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-05 19:09                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-05 19:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-05 20:17                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-06  8:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06 18:28                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-06 18:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06 22:24                             ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2019-12-07  8:21                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07 11:40                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-12-07 13:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07 19:03                                     ` Alan Mackenzie

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