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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>, lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tab bar tabs landed on master
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 19:49:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191007174953.u6crpmd4xhqnbpg6@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83k19gzd6k.fsf@gnu.org>

On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 08:18:59PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
>> Cc: spacibba@aol.com,  lekktu@gmail.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 22:53:40 +0300
>>
>> > I agree, but if "C-x 6" is already used, it's taken.  Is it such a
>> > catastrophe to use "C-x 7"?
>>
>> "C-x 7" is an illogical key, it breaks the sequence of C-x 4, C-x 5.
>
>Then how about the suggestion to use "C-x t" instead?
>
>> We need to ask the users of 2C how often they use C-x 6.
>> I believe they are using a more mnemonic key f2.
>
>Asking them and receiving the answers could take ages.  I don't think
>we have that time.  We need to decide soon, because once the emacs-27
>branch is cut, it will be harder to make such changes.
>
>Would more people please speak up on this issue, and suggest
>alternative prefixes if they have ideas about that?
>
Hi:

(Advertisement: personal opinion here)

Call me revolutionary, but I am perfectly fine to set this to `C-x 6`
and move the old one to a better place (when needed) Specially if this
keeps things more organized and `standardized` somehow (easier to
remember/associate).

2C already have something much more "privileged": f2 is short,
exclusive and mnemonic... Very few commands has the privilege to get a
single key binding as 2C already do. Free bindings does not grow like
mushrooms in emacs... ;p

C-x t is "fine", but if breaks the sequence 4 5 6 (which is not a
disaster, but will break the "standard" we have been following up to
now.) In order of priority I will base the decisions:

1- ergonomic
2- mnemonic
2.5- economy of shorter bindings
3- backward compatibility (terminal compatibility/limitations are exception)
4- historical reasons.

So actually I prefer C-x 6 for this feature that potentially may be very
popular for new users as all the browsers and modern applications use
them....

C-x t on the other hand is popular for "term" and similar commands
(better-shell multi-term and so on...) so in the future we should
consider maybe to set it to something related to that if possible.



>> As the comment in two-column.el explains, a choice of C-x 6 for 2C-command
>> was just a historic accident.
>
>That might be so, but I don't think we can correct that accident
>without some transition period.  Which is not possible ion this case.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-07 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-01 20:17 Tab bar tabs landed on master Juri Linkov
2019-10-01 21:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01 22:28   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-01 22:35     ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01 23:27     ` Ergus
2019-10-03 22:10       ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-05 21:55       ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 17:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 18:48           ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 19:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 19:23               ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 19:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 19:53                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-07 17:18                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 17:31                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-07 17:49                       ` Ergus [this message]
2019-10-06 21:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-06 21:27                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 22:53                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-06 22:58                       ` add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window Stephen Leake
2019-10-07 16:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 20:14                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08  7:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-10 22:46                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-11  8:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-19 22:07                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-20  6:24                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-20 17:37         ` Tab bar tabs landed on master Juri Linkov
2019-10-23 20:54           ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-26 22:16             ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-27 23:05               ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-23 20:59         ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-01 23:13           ` Ergus
2019-11-02  7:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-02 11:46               ` Ergus
2019-10-02  8:55     ` martin rudalics
2019-10-02 16:30       ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-02 15:03   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-02 16:27     ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-02 17:07       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-02 19:55         ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-05 14:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-05 22:07             ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 17:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 19:15                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-07 19:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 10:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 18:43                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-09 18:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-11 23:57                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-01-12  3:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-12 23:25                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-01-13 16:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-13 23:35                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-18 23:56                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-19 14:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-14 23:37                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-15  8:21                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-03  8:16         ` martin rudalics
2019-10-03  8:15       ` martin rudalics
2019-10-03  3:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-03  9:02 ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-07 13:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-07 13:21 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-07 15:53   ` Ergus
2019-10-07 20:23     ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-07 20:58       ` Ergus
2019-10-07 21:48       ` Zach Pearson
2019-10-07 22:29         ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08 14:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 22:43             ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-10  7:52               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 16:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 20:19   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08  7:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-20 22:39   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-20 23:06     ` Ergus
2019-10-21  6:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-21  6:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-21 21:40       ` Juri Linkov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-03 11:23 Andrii Kolomoiets
2019-10-03 12:19 ` Robert Pluim

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