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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Question about display engine
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 13:05:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190902110504.zniyfmd7bi53iyxe@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e3a04166-908d-8948-d41d-0fa980c0d4b2@gmx.at>

On Mon, Sep 02, 2019 at 10:36:34AM +0200, martin rudalics wrote:
>> I have been thinking about this a little bit more and it seems like we
>> are trying to replicate a behavior that is already there.
>>
>> If we had an extra face pointer within the face struct initialized to
>> null (or default face), and then when we merge and the extend attribute is set we
>> initialize it to the current merged face and we transmit that pointer
>> from merge to merge until we have a new face with :extend, so we merge
>> then those two... I think when we reach the end of the line we will
>> have there already all the information we need.
>>
>> Lets say we have a sequence of consecutive merges (a,b,c,d,e); but only
>> b and d have :extend.
>>
>> At the end we will have in the merges:
>>
>> (a, a+b, a+b+c, a+b+c+d, a+b+c+d+e)
>>
>> but with this pointers in them:
>>
>> (nul, b,     b,   b + d,     b + d)
>>
>> Which for me it seems to be what we expect to have right?
>>
>> Does it makes sense?
>
>I think so.  Now the realized face for normal text is a+b+c+d+e and
>the display engine would use it right away.  When the display engine
>encounters a newline character it has to "switch" from a+b+c+d+e to
>b+d.  But it has to assure that b+d _is a realized face_ because a
>reference to that face is the output expected from the display engine.
>Any additional pointers like yours would be ignored after that.
>
>Do you agree so far?  If so, then the question remains _when_ to
>realize b+d.  Eagerly, when the face merger has done its work, or
>lazily when the display engine encounters the newline.  Eagerly has
>the advantage that the display engine has all the faces already
>realized.  Its disadvantage is that when a new stop position is found
>before the EOL, the b+d face was realized needlessly.  Do you still
>agree?
>
I think any of them is still a good trade-off because it is very
use-case specific. When coding and with the actual wide screens; in most
of the cases the lines are always extended, So I don't think there will
be a significant difference.

In any case we could implement any of them more or less with the same
complexity...
>
>If so then we might consider the following optimization: The extra
>face pointer in each face is no more needed after the display engine
>has processed the face.  So we could build a "shadow" face for b+d,
>keep it in a separate, static face structure and realize a face from
>that structure whenever we want to (eagerly or lazily).  The display
>engine, when it finds a pointer to such an extra face at EOL, uses it
>(maybe realizing it on the fly).
>
>Also, the merger could nullify the extra face if it's the same as the
>normal one, that is no single merge step had an :extend false value
>override a former :extend true value.  So the display engine would
>know beforehand that it does not have to change the current face.
>
Yes; in my initial proposed approach the local pointer will be null in
that case.

>Last but not least, the display engine has to, after processing the
>spaces at the EOL from b+d, restore the a+b+c+d+e face as its current
>face.  So we have two static pointers to keep around: One for the b+d
>face structure (or its already realized face) while the display engine
>processes normal text and one for the a+b+c+d+e realized face while
>the display engine processes the spaces at EOL.  Can you still agree?

In the display engine we do this very
frequently. As extend_face_to_end_of_line is very localized we just need
to save a pointer to a+b+c+d on the beginning of the function and
restore it at the end.

It is a bit more complex than that because the code for gui and TUI is
in different portions of an if condition, but this part is almost the
same I made in the first patch I proposed.

>Can you imagine any difficulties with implementing such an approach?
>
I only see small details like that in some cases we need to
reinitialize the extend face and the default-face value maybe is not the
right choice in all the cases (I need to look into it a bit more).

And that in X there is some extra code (somewhere) to extend the
background color using the color in the last inserted glyph (it is
something happening by default without calling even
extend_face_to_end_of_line). That code should be removed after this
change; but I don't know where is it. But for sure Eli will tell.

>And we would have happily put to rest all those crazy extend_... bits
>I proposed earlier.
>
>martin
>



  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-02 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-07  0:54 Question about display engine Ergus
2019-08-07 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-07 15:32   ` Ergus
2019-08-07 15:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-07 15:57       ` Ergus
2019-08-07 16:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-07 16:25           ` martin rudalics
2019-08-07 16:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-08  7:25               ` martin rudalics
2019-08-08  8:38                 ` Ergus
2019-08-08  8:45                   ` martin rudalics
2019-08-08  9:29                     ` Ergus
2019-08-08 13:05                       ` martin rudalics
2019-08-08 13:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-08 16:43                           ` Ergus
2019-08-08 17:50                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-08 22:37                               ` Ergus
2019-08-09  6:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-09  9:08                                   ` Ergus
2019-08-09  9:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-09 11:31                                       ` Ergus
2019-08-09 14:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-09 15:09                                           ` Ergus
2019-08-09  8:59                             ` martin rudalics
2019-08-09  9:31                               ` Ergus
2019-08-09  9:38                               ` Ergus
2019-08-10 11:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-11  8:14                               ` martin rudalics
2019-08-09  8:59                           ` martin rudalics
2019-08-08 14:50                         ` Ergus
2019-08-09  8:59                           ` martin rudalics
2019-08-10 11:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-11  8:14                               ` martin rudalics
2019-08-11 14:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-12  8:59                                   ` martin rudalics
2019-08-12 15:29                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-12 22:18                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-08-13  8:17                                         ` martin rudalics
2019-08-13 15:32                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-13 22:33                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-08-14  8:58                                             ` martin rudalics
2019-08-13  8:17                                       ` martin rudalics
2019-08-13 15:31                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-14  8:58                                           ` martin rudalics
2019-08-14 15:14                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-15  8:13                                               ` martin rudalics
2019-08-15 15:18                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-16  7:29                                                   ` martin rudalics
2019-08-16  8:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-17  8:25                                                       ` martin rudalics
2019-08-19 16:13                                                         ` Ergus
2019-08-19 16:50                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-19 21:30                                                             ` Ergus
2019-08-20 14:09                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-25 10:22                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-08-25 10:44                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-26  4:31                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-08-26  7:45                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-26  8:18                                                                         ` Ergus
2019-08-26  9:49                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-27 22:20                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-08-28  8:35                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2019-08-28  9:07                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-28 12:19                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2019-08-28 16:31                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-08-28 17:24                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-28 18:19                                                                                         ` Ergus
2019-08-29 18:28                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-30  7:02                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2019-08-30  7:26                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-30  9:34                                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-08-29  7:45                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2019-08-28 17:21                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-29  7:45                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2019-08-29 18:36                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-30  7:03                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2019-08-30  8:48                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-31  7:29                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2019-08-31  7:57                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-01  8:14                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2019-09-01 12:26                                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-09-02  8:36                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2019-09-02 11:05                                                                                                         ` Ergus [this message]
2019-09-02 16:18                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-03  5:33                                                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-09-03  8:45                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2019-09-03 11:23                                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-09-03 12:17                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2019-09-03 14:56                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-03  5:35                                                                                                             ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2019-09-03  8:45                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2019-09-03 14:53                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-03 16:41                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2019-09-03 17:31                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-03 18:59                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2019-09-04 18:33                                                                                                                       ` Ergus
2019-09-04 20:04                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2019-09-04 20:19                                                                                                                           ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2019-09-05  7:32                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2019-09-05 13:54                                                                                                                               ` Ergus
2019-09-05 19:31                                                                                                                                 ` Ergus
     [not found]                                                                                                                           ` <1826922767.1725310.1567682307734@mail.yahoo.com>
2019-09-05 11:18                                                                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-08-21  7:37                                                           ` martin rudalics
2019-08-08 17:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-09 12:46                     ` martin rudalics
2019-08-10 11:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-10 23:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-08-11  2:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-11  8:17                             ` martin rudalics
2019-08-11  8:11                         ` martin rudalics
2019-08-08 17:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-08  8:15               ` Ergus
2019-08-08  8:45                 ` martin rudalics
2019-08-08  9:17                   ` Ergus
2019-08-08 17:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-08 20:37                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-08 22:24                   ` Ergus
2019-08-09  6:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-09 17:54                     ` Juri Linkov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-08-27 16:01 Keith David Bershatsky
     [not found] <318675867.1913640.1567711569517.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
2019-09-05 19:26 ` Ergus
2019-09-06  8:22   ` martin rudalics
2019-09-06  9:31     ` Ergus
2019-09-07  6:52       ` martin rudalics
2019-09-07  7:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-07  7:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-08  0:51             ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2019-09-08  8:40               ` martin rudalics
2019-09-08 12:53                 ` Ergus
2019-09-09  7:39                   ` martin rudalics
2019-09-09 13:56                     ` Ergus
2019-09-09 16:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-09 17:08                       ` Ergus
2019-09-09 18:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-09 19:29                           ` Ergus
2019-09-10  2:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-12  3:37                               ` Ergus
2019-09-13  8:50                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-08 17:51               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-08 18:23                 ` Ergus
2019-09-14 20:42                   ` Ergus
2019-09-15  8:25                     ` martin rudalics
2019-09-15 11:26                       ` Ergus
2019-09-15 12:22                         ` martin rudalics
2019-09-15 14:28                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-09-16  9:05                             ` martin rudalics
2019-09-15 15:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-15 21:42                       ` Ergus
2019-09-17  2:17                         ` Ergus
2019-09-17  9:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-21  8:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-21 13:57                               ` Ergus
2019-09-21 21:55                               ` Ergus
2019-09-26 16:32                                 ` Ergus
2019-09-28 10:35                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 10:30                                     ` Ergus
2019-09-29 10:57                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 15:40                                         ` Ergus
2019-10-09  9:02                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-12 18:16                                             ` Ergus
2019-10-12 18:29                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-06  8:55   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-06 10:30     ` Ergus
2019-09-06 13:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-06 16:34         ` Ergus
2019-09-06 18:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-07  2:35             ` Ergus
2019-09-07  6:41               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <20191012222305.jpjinkd5y2lz6xiv@Ergus>
     [not found] ` <83mue5kmfx.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-13 15:40   ` Ergus
2019-10-13 16:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13 16:44       ` Ergus
2019-10-13 17:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13 18:11           ` Ergus
2019-10-13 18:25           ` Ergus
2019-10-13 18:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13 19:38               ` Ergus
2019-10-13 21:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13 22:27                   ` Ergus
2019-10-14  8:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-20 22:20                       ` Ergus
2019-10-21  6:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13 19:41               ` Ergus
2019-10-13 16:11     ` Eli Zaretskii

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