From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Change terminology to =?utf-8?Q?better?= =?utf-8?B?IGFsaWduIHVzZXJz4oCZ?= experience with modern GUIs Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:59:01 +0200 Message-ID: <20190723135901.GJ27308@tuxteam.de> References: <58E90D68-5CE4-425F-BB5F-07533665ADC0@icloud.com> <20190723134018.GH27308@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRtZRu2mMGBZ6YQ7" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="194170"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list , Stefan Monnier To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 23 15:59:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvJu-000oQm-W4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:59:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42724 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvJu-0005XU-2b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:59:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvJr-0005X8-4d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvJo-0001W1-S3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:59:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:58990) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvJo-0001Th-DG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:59:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=VdNc6zOx0n4NBWD7eE/kBu3WOhatQMSo2nFdQO9seS4=; b=kbtX9GnlnGh8GKAEIuccsOFgl67VA7NeJkVjeU9p3sCWyxxkrlp/a0rNwrwCfaqFz7tharmZDBOwMSHW9F+Ie1UJ+UdkFrkzDBTUzO3/rCv81Mo0JPBOG0C1Aj8JmYg5kujkcjA8L0t7lmvR8xAkrLPYHjJsKyCOPdfnSUOX3l2qQfSnJnormcm6b2MIqEY0QB3WpVDOF2ch++qFOAF7ili/POkcVEO3UeAXDDMLEEtb4MEkR31Bio3xjdQZSXw2H3yMjyByaWlSQU1SFTMGOOq0J4/24o4N491Ls5cwwbm5yK/hOsymCyAam6o3Hc6CimT662rxISDfGOs9e54FdA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvJm-0001cv-09; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:59:02 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:121240 Archived-At: --wRtZRu2mMGBZ6YQ7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 09:46:39AM -0400, Noam Postavsky wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 09:40, wrote: >=20 > > And who knows what the "terminology du jour" will be in 10 years. This > > industry is currently very much fad-driven. >=20 > The term "window" has been pretty long-lived. That's true. Perhaps (?) it was in use already with PARC's Alto, so around 1973. But I think at that time terminology wasn't so clear. "Windows" were also of the non-overlapping kind (think tiling window manager these days), i.e. exactly what Emacs is doing :-) > > So imagine Emacs (painfully) changes window -> pane and frame -> window, > > and the dominant technology talks about "trays" and "vanes". Or somethi= ng. >=20 > That would still be better, because we wouldn't have the Emacs-window > vs Other-Gui-window meaning conflict. :-) Cheers -- t --wRtZRu2mMGBZ6YQ7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl03EqUACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbJvgCePQfvMhXGzgM0tRqUAQbxMDU3 jw0An3dYZkWcO+ucppnKtA+4Wb20ygZZ =DTO5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRtZRu2mMGBZ6YQ7--