From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Alessi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:42:26 +0200 Message-ID: <20190719094226.GA5734@robertalessi.net> References: <87zhlbaf5d.fsf@kiddo.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <20190718173252.GA3093@robertalessi.net> <20190718184700.GA4886@robertalessi.net> <20190718203203.GG4886@robertalessi.net> <83tvbiv7dp.fsf@gnu.org> <20190719085824.GA3263@robertalessi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="10586"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 36717@debbugs.gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 11:43:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPu-0002XI-H0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:43:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43560 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPt-0001Ml-JA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42325) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPr-0001Mf-7O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPq-0004SL-11 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPp-0004Ri-TN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:43:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPp-0006uc-QO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:43:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Robert Alessi Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36717 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 36717-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36717.156352935226532 (code B ref 36717); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:43:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36717) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 09:42:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55132 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPL-0006tr-Rr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:42:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:37642) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPPK-0006ti-26 for 36717@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:42:30 -0400 Original-Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BFE21A2C54; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Riseup-User-ID: 7E00A5FB34E1A0427E1C15AAC9B0C9B1D1DC733DFAC0C907D559D989786FCB37 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCA8D2233FE; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163380 Archived-At: On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 11:26:57AM +0200, Robert Pluim wrote: > >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:24 +0200, Robert Alessi said: > > Robert> Robert, Basil and Eli: since assigning vowels with tonos and vowels > Robert> with oxia to the same code points is clearly unacceptable even if the > Robert> glyphs may be identical, is there a way to input tonos and vowels with > Robert> tonos with emacs? I use greek-ibycus4, but if other input methods > Robert> can handle these letters, I would consider any change unnecessary. > > 1. You can locally derive an input method from greek-ibycus4, and > replace the entries for letter + oxia with letter with tonos (or we > can make that change in emacs) This is what I did in the first place. More precisely, I replaced greek.el with a new greek.el which included the substitutions, but I reverted to the original greek.el after realizing that the statements of digitalclassicist.org are in fact questionable. > 2. Same, but we allow for entering both variants, so that eg > > i' => iota with oxia > i; => iota with tonos (this is how eg greek-postfix does it) Interesting option. > 3. You change input methods betweend greek-ibycus4 and greek postfix, > enter the character + tonos using i;, then switch back This is what I would prefer (see below). > 4. Last resort: enter the required character directly using > > C-x 8 RET 3af > or > C-x 8 RET GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH TONOS Provided one has not many characters to enter! > Iʼd probably lean towards [2], but a purist might says that weʼre > polluting an input method intended for classical greek with a 'modern' > set of characters. Yes [2] would be interesting, I agree, but the purist also has a point. > OTOH Unicode seems to say that we should be using > the tonos variants anyway. Is that to say that the oxia variants are actually not recommended by Unicode? Did you find information on this form unicode.org? Robert