From: Robert Alessi <alessi@robertalessi.net>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
Cc: 36717@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:42:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190719094226.GA5734@robertalessi.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2pnm6pe72.fsf@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 11:26:57AM +0200, Robert Pluim wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:24 +0200, Robert Alessi <alessi@robertalessi.net> said:
>
> Robert> Robert, Basil and Eli: since assigning vowels with tonos and vowels
> Robert> with oxia to the same code points is clearly unacceptable even if the
> Robert> glyphs may be identical, is there a way to input tonos and vowels with
> Robert> tonos with emacs? I use greek-ibycus4, but if other input methods
> Robert> can handle these letters, I would consider any change unnecessary.
>
> 1. You can locally derive an input method from greek-ibycus4, and
> replace the entries for letter + oxia with letter with tonos (or we
> can make that change in emacs)
This is what I did in the first place. More precisely, I replaced
greek.el with a new greek.el which included the substitutions, but I
reverted to the original greek.el after realizing that the statements
of digitalclassicist.org are in fact questionable.
> 2. Same, but we allow for entering both variants, so that eg
>
> i' => iota with oxia
> i; => iota with tonos (this is how eg greek-postfix does it)
Interesting option.
> 3. You change input methods betweend greek-ibycus4 and greek postfix,
> enter the character + tonos using i;, then switch back
This is what I would prefer (see below).
> 4. Last resort: enter the required character directly using
>
> C-x 8 RET 3af
> or
> C-x 8 RET GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH TONOS
Provided one has not many characters to enter!
> Iʼd probably lean towards [2], but a purist might says that weʼre
> polluting an input method intended for classical greek with a 'modern'
> set of characters.
Yes [2] would be interesting, I agree, but the purist also has a point.
> OTOH Unicode seems to say that we should be using
> the tonos variants anyway.
Is that to say that the oxia variants are actually not recommended by
Unicode? Did you find information on this form unicode.org?
Robert
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-07-18 9:03 bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 14:54 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 17:32 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:06 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 18:47 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:57 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 20:14 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:32 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 8:27 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 9:09 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:27 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 14:41 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 14:52 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 15:14 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 14:45 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 8:58 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 9:26 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 9:42 ` Robert Alessi [this message]
2019-07-19 9:49 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 10:03 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 11:49 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 13:32 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:31 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-16 13:59 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-19 13:29 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 13:33 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 9:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 9:54 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:47 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:19 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 20:19 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:52 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 18:16 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 18:47 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 20:27 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:23 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 9:40 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 18:16 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 20:29 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
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