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From: Robert Alessi <alessi@robertalessi.net>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
Cc: 36717@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:42:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190719094226.GA5734@robertalessi.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2pnm6pe72.fsf@gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 11:26:57AM +0200, Robert Pluim wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:24 +0200, Robert Alessi <alessi@robertalessi.net> said:
> 
>     Robert> Robert, Basil and Eli: since assigning vowels with tonos and vowels
>     Robert> with oxia to the same code points is clearly unacceptable even if the
>     Robert> glyphs may be identical, is there a way to input tonos and vowels with
>     Robert> tonos with emacs?  I use greek-ibycus4, but if other input methods
>     Robert> can handle these letters, I would consider any change unnecessary.
> 
> 1. You can locally derive an input method from greek-ibycus4, and
> replace the entries for letter + oxia with letter with tonos (or we
> can make that change in emacs)

This is what I did in the first place.  More precisely, I replaced
greek.el with a new greek.el which included the substitutions, but I
reverted to the original greek.el after realizing that the statements
of digitalclassicist.org are in fact questionable.

> 2. Same, but we allow for entering both variants, so that eg
> 
> i' => iota with oxia
> i; => iota with tonos (this is how eg greek-postfix does it)
 
Interesting option.

> 3. You change input methods betweend greek-ibycus4 and greek postfix,
> enter the character + tonos using i;, then switch back

This is what I would prefer (see below).

> 4. Last resort: enter the required character directly using
> 
> C-x 8 RET 3af
> or
> C-x 8 RET GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH TONOS

Provided one has not many characters to enter!

> Iʼd probably lean towards [2], but a purist might says that weʼre
> polluting an input method intended for classical greek with a 'modern'
> set of characters.

Yes [2] would be interesting, I agree, but the purist also has a point.

> OTOH Unicode seems to say that we should be using
> the tonos variants anyway.

Is that to say that the oxia variants are actually not recommended by
Unicode?  Did you find information on this form unicode.org?

Robert





  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-19  9:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-18  9:03 bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 14:54 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 17:32   ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:06     ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 18:47       ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:57         ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 20:14           ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:32           ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19  6:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19  8:27               ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19  9:09                 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:27                   ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 14:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 14:41                       ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 14:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 14:52                         ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 15:00                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 15:14                             ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 14:45                       ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19  8:58               ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19  9:26                 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19  9:42                   ` Robert Alessi [this message]
2019-07-19  9:49                     ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 10:03                       ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 11:49                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 13:32                           ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:31                           ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 14:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-16 13:59                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-19 13:29                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 13:33                           ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19  9:33                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19  9:54                   ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:47                       ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:19     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 20:19       ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:52         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 18:16   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 18:47     ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 20:27       ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:23     ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19  9:40     ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 18:16 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 20:29   ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:40   ` Eli Zaretskii

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