From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [offtopic] Re: Ctrl-[ ? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:24:16 +0200 Message-ID: <20190614122416.GA17606@tuxteam.de> References: <87zhmto6fa.fsf@telefonica.net> <20190607163017.GA32029@tuxteam.de> <96B116FC-8007-4C42-9AE6-585530D0C76E@comcast.net> <87muisor2h.fsf@telefonica.net> <63F9D100-CD25-445B-8184-93A25DB0FC38@comcast.net> <874l4zoiz6.fsf@telefonica.net> <8A953A06-0B89-4026-8801-602C0D8B2CA1@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="65212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 14 14:28:17 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hblJY-000Gpa-E9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:28:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51042 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hblJX-0006Q4-Ac for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:28:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55353) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hblG8-0004U6-Cq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:24:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hblG2-0004YP-KH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:24:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:54847) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hblG0-0004Qr-Ca for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:24:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=hJUn8vgoxqdVBIFTC7WSALWuPyK/ndRg9OUIkQrakhY=; b=idD2BjxEroNEwPv11iftdKRC51HFEDsjL9aO//RKDB7+KjrGQBPkSUjE1emVJOUHWBEPcoYshs8jDxhBtsKX6gSpHvojvt/tGv92oGAx7YdckRvZjOA2pwrmPrhCHc3kN0OL0b1xauiZOxtTuMmHHL/Gq9VBGt1C8o8yWoZSxgNA9UECUUmZXHn65PgcIy04wahJ0OB6//CgGSjMhew2tmak+/qXfHebdk1gyvJoKJbUw5bVVwrTBOj1MNVZfEY/vdl6DoyamVa3rH8Cp8ifnwqJZK6nDQ5mEVNmguVTXeDII04eBf6bRfEJWzAa0RGBEq7L2XybAJa1gswmGz1MSA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hblFg-0004oh-Sh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:24:16 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120949 Archived-At: --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:06:29PM +1000, Van L wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >=20 > > There are always 3 entities at play here: > > > > ASCII-control | GUI key | GUI control-modified-key > > --------------------------------------------------- > > TAB | tab | control i > > ESC | escape | control [ > > RET | return | control m > > LF | linefeed | control j > > ... >=20 > The fingering for column-3 with thumb over space > is natural and comfy. >=20 > Using the keyboard on the Lenovo Thinkpad A485 as > reference and right shifting the right palm such > that the thumb is over each of the three modifier > keys with fingerings also right shifting has potential for smooth ergonom= ical > transition from right handed mouse to keying > combinations with one hand on the right side of > the keyboard. Until you've got a German keyboard layout, where you need yet another modifier (AltGr) to reach [, ], \ and |. I'm sure there are multitude of other language-specific keyboard layouts sharing that weakness... But I didn't want to open /that/ can o' worms -- just to raise a bit of awareness. Cheers -- tom=C3=A1s --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl0DkfAACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbrpQCeKtOYEjgnFtYqxtSK/Db2Y7Gz YXIAn2lyIU2tIEx3AvCoTTFRdv0KXQ6X =xT94 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz--