From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:12:14 +0000 Message-ID: <20190612131214.GB4587@ACM> References: <08AC8151-5911-40FA-8B20-818B839D00AB@traduction-libre.org> <6F55E018-B15E-42B0-8794-21F55BBA23D3@traduction-libre.org> <34E3289C-10EE-4A23-AEE4-80D984DB2EDE@gnu.org> <6A538FF9-94C8-491D-B1B9-5C0D09FE7C39@acm.org> <838suesw93.fsf@gnu.org> <3580dbb9-73a8-d26a-5466-5799e3726c34@gmail.com> <83tvd2rd8b.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="205310"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 12 15:14:30 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hb35B-000r7Y-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:14:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60220 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hb353-0003KP-Tl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:14:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33160) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hb339-0002wV-CW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:12:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hb338-0003tC-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:12:23 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:46166 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hb337-0003rR-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:12:22 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 52188 invoked by uid 3782); 12 Jun 2019 13:12:16 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4FE15E42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.94.66]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:12:14 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 6417 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Jun 2019 13:12:14 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237453 Archived-At: Hello, Stefan. On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 02:23:43 +0200, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > IMO, being able to bind C-[ to something else is not an important > > feature, not enough to break the compatibility. But that's me. > Perhaps it makes sense from a compatibility standpoint, but I > suspect that many users would be surprised by the inability to > rebind C-[ or C-i. (Binding C-i also rebinds TAB.) > Would it make sense to show a warning when trying to bind keys such as > C-[ or C-i? (Or, perhaps better, to show it in the "*Help*" buffer? > C-h k C-[ only shows "ESC- " when I try, though.) > Would it make sense to introduce a variable to turn this behaviour off > in a graphical environment? The default could stay as is. Maybe I'm being a bit thick, here, but I cannot for the life of me find where in the Emacs sources C-[ gets bound for the GUI. Is C-[ actually bound in Emacs, or is translating it to ESC just the default of the GUI keyboard, as it is of the tty keyboard? > Thanks, > Stefan Kangas -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).