On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 09:40:07PM +0200, Óscar Fuentes wrote:
> <tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:
> 
> > On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 04:30:14PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

[...]

> > Well said. The only one stepping forward with some code was Stefan,
> > and personally, I find it a bit discouraging
> 
> What I find discouraging is this phrase on the above quoted message:
> 
> >> ... Suffices it to say that several times during the recent years
> >> when we needed to make seemingly-simple changes and fixes in that
> >> code, no one had the courage to approve such changes.
> 
> I'm sure that that is not Eli's intention, but encouraging it is not.

It's expected. Big software organisms are like that. Try hacking
on Mozilla, or Eclipse, or...

I think Emacs fares quite well compared to that, more so given its
age.

> > that folks just keep
> > saying what "Emacs Should Do" without investing much effort into
> > understanding what's there and what other users need/want.
> 
> Care to explain how the proposed change would take away from you?

I think I explained that twice. Won't repeat.

> > Software development is a collective effort, and it takes listening
> > as well as talking, I think.
> 
> I listened as hard as I can, and still don't understand why you react
> this way to this issue, when several times we explicitly said that
> nothing would change on the default behavior.

Sorry if I hurt you in any way.

Cheers
-- tomás