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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ?
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 15:58:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190608135853.GA4323@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83pnnonr15.fsf@gnu.org>

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On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 04:30:14PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>
> > Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 15:06:54 +0200
> > 
> > Nobody is asking for a change on the default bindings, what we are
> > saying it that the user should be allowed to set the binding the
> > same way he does for any other binding.
> 
> If you or someone else believe they know enough about the Emacs
> keyboard input processing to propose its redesign which will satisfy
> the above requirement [...]

> Current situation is nowhere near such expertise.  Suffices it to say
> that several times during the recent years when we needed to make
> seemingly-simple changes and fixes in that code, no one had the
> courage to approve such changes.  For some of them, it later turned
> out that we broke some subtle but important use cases, for others we
> still have our fingers crossed.  So please don't expect any
> significant redesigns in that any time soon, as long as all we do is
> vent steam here.  We have an enormously complex piece of software on
> our hands, and we have no better choice than going the "inconvenient"
> ways when we want to rebind an unusual key.

Well said. The only one stepping forward with some code was Stefan,
and personally, I find it a bit discouraging that folks just keep
saying what "Emacs Should Do" without investing much effort into
understanding what's there and what other users need/want.

Software development is a collective effort, and it takes listening
as well as talking, I think.

Cheers
-- tomás

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-08 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06  4:49 Ctrl-[ ? Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06  7:26 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06  8:13   ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-06 10:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 12:37     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 13:02       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 13:28         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 12:44     ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-06-06 13:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 13:25         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 14:35           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07  6:21             ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-06-07  8:34             ` joakim
2019-06-06 13:26         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 13:32           ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-06-06 14:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 15:01             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 15:33             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 17:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 17:33                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 17:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 18:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 18:48                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 19:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 15:02                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-07 19:44                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 21:01                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-07 23:48                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08  6:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-12  8:08                               ` Søren Pilgård
2019-06-12  8:56                                 ` Ergus
2019-06-06 18:55                       ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-10  0:23             ` Stefan Kangas
2019-06-10  0:42               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-10 16:42               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-11 15:36                 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2019-06-11 15:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-11 16:31                   ` Yuri Khan
2019-06-12 12:22                   ` Stefan Kangas
2019-06-12 12:14                 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-06-12 13:12               ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-06-12 13:38                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-06 13:28         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-06 14:00         ` Drew Adams
2019-06-06 12:58   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-06 12:58 ` Ralph Seichter
2019-06-06 13:42 ` tomas
2019-06-06 14:08   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 14:25     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-06 15:27       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 18:29         ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 23:08           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 23:26             ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 23:35               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07  6:24               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 11:43                 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 13:16                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 22:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-08  6:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 14:14           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-07  3:36 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07  4:30   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07  4:43     ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07  5:04       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07  6:15     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07  8:04       ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07  8:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 13:19           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 13:54             ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 14:23               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 15:17                 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 13:45           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 14:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:20               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 20:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 16:30             ` tomas
2019-06-08  0:05               ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-08  0:31                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08  8:44                   ` tomas
2019-06-08 11:48                     ` 조성빈 via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-08 11:56                       ` tomas
2019-06-08 13:06                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 13:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 13:54                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 14:03                           ` tomas
2019-06-08 14:22                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 15:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09  0:52                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-09  6:19                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09  6:51                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 13:58                         ` tomas [this message]
2019-06-08 19:40                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 20:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 20:28                             ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:03                   ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-08 21:38                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-09  0:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09  1:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-18 22:25                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-11 23:05                         ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-14  6:51                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 12:06                             ` [offtopic] " Van L
2019-06-14 12:24                               ` tomas
2019-06-15  9:12                                 ` Van L
2019-06-15  9:44                                   ` tomas
2019-06-15 12:38                                     ` Van L
2019-06-09  6:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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