From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 08:31:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20190525063147.GD31415@tuxteam.de> References: <20190523172148538275561@bob.proulx.com> <86ef4oivmo.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190523175139068895086@bob.proulx.com> <86d0k8h0re.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524070902.GA11740@tuxteam.de> <86pno8fd60.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524122837.GB25596@tuxteam.de> <864l5jf8pm.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="16127"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 08:43:38 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQP3-00043g-Vg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 08:43:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37090 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQP2-0003Fo-UY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:43:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQO1-0002pz-Mu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:42:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQDe-0005zj-Ko for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:31:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:50528) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQDe-0005xu-5I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 02:31:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=nAWDwTwASS3sfe3ZWv6YSECib/g5dvtA8Nr6zMKQkpY=; b=qf5nLJG9oo3LjjLou3zvd5MZAzSKBfS7ODgF5eZfh21NOc1Zbk+wbRLY6UtubLHExh+zYvwIasFnzLjAoTOM5YBPXMmWuvODlcaFnfF6eBetRAGSiDlZeAivqMes2HxEvX8+KDalRl3XtHyiGs+MfLYVozxw9n3sIYEGSYX/v5OVx0r+2XmRTqzkJizIvTHSHUe4GeXsudhawshOfss78qbc8RH8pzDTk3bEFG8Bqkfor+hPf3QyevTUNvudccGjNRXJ6KJvmw7ar4zz8juSG1k0wHBrX5xHf7vAkpbzq3ccA2PgVVwWIj+g4kwtvEaVYOShVmjmi+jQF8DdSc2XRg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hUQDb-0000H2-Qf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 08:31:47 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <864l5jf8pm.fsf@zoho.eu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120631 Archived-At: --Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 06:40:05AM +0200, Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs wrote: [...] > ?#1: Do people still use IM? I remember > ICQ (I Seek You; Israel 1996 [1]). Those were > good days - at least if you only remember the > good stuff! They do use very diverse, monstrous mutations of IM, all incompatible with each other: whatsapp, instagram, telegram, heck, twitter is also a take in the IM theme. Most of them go through a centralised, corporate-controlled, risk-capital fueled service. Do I need to say more? > ?#2: What do you mean "all the anti-patterns of > the pre-Internet age emerge all over again." It > sounds interesting anyway so do tell... You had a fragmented landscape of "online services" (AOL, CompuServe etc.) and you could only "see" the inhabitants of your fragment of the world [1]. > No doubt they are good guys. Paying for > a service isn't something I would never do for > principal reasons, it is more like it seems > like trouble doing it practically. I mean, how > do you do it? Literally? Bank transfer? Heck -- posteo does care that much about your privacy that you even can pay in cash (for 12 months in advance). Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_service#History -- t --Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlzo4VMACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZ/fACeLUgC59YrcoK9B4eCKVPo0QKX k1kAnigVChH39ReAcWD1txBWVovm4vLp =1chx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e--