From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 14:28:37 +0200 Message-ID: <20190524122837.GB25596@tuxteam.de> References: <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> <20190523172148538275561@bob.proulx.com> <86ef4oivmo.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190523175139068895086@bob.proulx.com> <86d0k8h0re.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524070902.GA11740@tuxteam.de> <86pno8fd60.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="135257"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 24 14:29:04 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hU9Jl-000Ywz-AN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 14:29:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53846 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU9Jk-0005du-8u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 08:29:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49504) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU9JR-0005cJ-NI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 08:28:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU9JQ-0004qi-8F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 08:28:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:48286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hU9JP-0004nA-PH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 08:28:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=V2SRgV/NP2RYAN0GlUV3ZZBXcKCKEqzk96eXlT9Iabw=; b=FiVlPdqjC+TjMDia9Nz9qWk/w6/4XfkhfSyIZ2uyd8wMtrD/Z3tHJ5KK+uE6oEHdYn6hj5/Q7Y/X8projTj+uX0Vnahv6bquUqYpKxReA4nE1dmqw8sbK6b2BpcX8ikQ2KnDC8vXY9PbEJFYz1H5k99FRns0nI3VhddIuqsChdW6NSb69xj2zxmByEMw+nfXizMrZIlqyIkBc75yGskDN1SMdRWkktdzXgg7op91MYdiavZkBkBg6UoVRdQrbiHlN7o4TE/fCzEj3MKDXktxQBS6G5IvD1D/Hguo2QFlasWYxTZL95cb8pMeOKmqd+RQXHAirnFAyQbQv9nZS0se+w==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hU9JN-0006rR-Qh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 14:28:37 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86pno8fd60.fsf@zoho.eu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120615 Archived-At: --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:51:35AM +0200, Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs w= rote: [...] > If it works like that, why doesn't it keep at > it until it gets the authority reply? > Perhaps there is a setting for that... No, caching makes sense. Each DNS record has a field stating for how long it is expected to be valid (TTL) to ease such decisions. [...] > With ads, side- and extension services that > aren't free of charge, the accumulation of user > data, and so on, there is tons of money > in mail. Big players prefer silos, where they can keep their sheep^H^H^H users captive. Watch the instant messenger space to see all the anti-patterns of the pre-Internet age emerge all over again. > > Since they can't kill it directly, they > > starve it. Spam (and the corresponding > > anti-spam measures) are their allies in that. >=20 > Tin foil hats on everyone :) Sometimes they are justified. Remember: just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean that they aren't after you :) > > There are small mail providers who take > > a very affordable amount (here in DE > > typically 1EUR/month) and actually know what > > they are doing >=20 > For all their technical superiority, they sure > don't charge much... They don't see their goal in growth, but in providing a good service while being financially sustainable. Cheers -- t --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlzn43UACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYY4wCeLrUkgeLIgsrrISDdK5qlH5Ue oxcAn1HbNkrLoXB3Wv5iE9JeLNbm5LPD =164Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU--