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From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 35389@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, npostavs@gmail.com
Subject: bug#35389: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Emacs on macOS sets mouse-wheel variables directly
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 13:41:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190519124104.GB4246@breton.holly.idiocy.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83pnonbuyl.fsf@gnu.org>

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 05:36:50PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 12:05:04 +0100
> > From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
> > Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 35389@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com
> > 
> > Unfortunately we can’t just treat each of these NSEvents as a request
> > to scroll a single line as we can receive many small requests very
> > quickly. This is what Emacs used to do and it was basically useless.
> > The slightest two finger drag on the trackpad could result in Emacs
> > scrolling several pages.
> > 
> > What the current code does is add those pixel values up until they
> > reach a certain value, then send Emacs an event telling it to scroll.
> > Unfortunately those pixel values include a built‐in acceleration
> > factor, so the more the user drags their fingers across the trackpad,
> > the higher the pixel values will be, proportionally. We can’t disable
> > that, and as far as I can tell the user can’t even disable it for the
> > whole system.
> 
> Is the algorithm used by the system to "accelerate" known?  If so,
> could we "un-accelerate" those values, by scaling them back to the
> original amount of dragging received from the user, as if acceleration
> was disabled?  Then we could apply our own acceleration as on other
> platforms.  Would that work?

I don’t think there’s a published algorithm. Generally Apple would
rather we all conform than do our own thing. After some thought I’ve
remembered that it’s possible to pick up the touch events at a lower
level, so it may be possible to do a comparison and try to reverse
engineer it. Or just bypass their scrolling completely. I’m not sure
how practical that would be though.

I hope your other questions were answered in the discussion with Tak,
so I won’t retread that ground here.
-- 
Alan Third





  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-19 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-23  9:47 bug#35389: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Emacs on macOS sets mouse-wheel variables directly Robert Pluim
2019-04-23 11:17 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-23 11:38   ` Robert Pluim
2019-05-10 15:29     ` Robert Pluim
2019-05-10 19:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:25         ` Alan Third
2019-05-11  6:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  9:54             ` Robert Pluim
2019-05-11 10:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 22:50                 ` Alan Third
2019-05-12  4:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 11:05                     ` Alan Third
2019-05-12 14:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 12:41                         ` Alan Third [this message]
2019-05-12 23:29                       ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-13 14:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16  9:00                           ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-16 13:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 23:24                               ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-17  5:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  8:50                                   ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-18  9:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 12:32                                       ` Alan Third
2019-05-22  6:22                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23  4:24                                           ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-23  4:55                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06  2:21                                           ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-06-07 18:31                                             ` Alan Third
2020-08-10 11:32                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-10 13:04                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 13:19                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-11 22:53               ` Alan Third
2019-05-11 23:06             ` Alan Third

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