From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 23:09:24 +0200 Message-ID: <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="267900"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 15 23:17:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hR1Gx-0017U3-D5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 23:17:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42742 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR1GW-0001th-Nv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:16:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR19e-0004YB-5F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR19d-0004ia-8m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:09:38 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([77.238.178.202]:32920) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR19c-0004fh-LT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:09:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1557954575; bh=USH2X9fgR+Y1Kl4CS6fx7dpaONUhxIryCbJ+4866XXc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=PNXuIUvPSkeCjtwa7BvO7REM8+qftf59KK5l1U3PDko8ya9eb1JOq1xQcTSlp59GDsGtYhQ9HBzM6uZiB6QGgw3MxrgsSGrCt14z/KWDHAEAU32tAd7msvfJPLjL0b3dzyqi79/mVIuKodrGwsY9/Ce1f98ulFXFEv9Vv6PCcmuz91YyhINiadBqHrr/y0h+uPagFYYUkbkB/9n1aIDlevFnrdrTpo2ioeD2B8ax29QIUfTA9tNRSQSDK7Wc9+Pjiy53igKds6O8QOVWr4tAi+3cA+WPFoaj3D4P5vGH0qMalSdvpHYhxAjgSKhJjHSUdNwuf8y/2woFd+2BhTUPGQ== X-YMail-OSG: cfqJkysVM1lsdEjKiHKHrAum4fb7BIVX6EvbR8ee0lxhaEOld3gkeVdqx2wPeif mQZ7zZjWEXh72CDv72.9jgrZfoBWleVr9OvZL698S1WxrbJNl9rra9ahHx8AG8fdzcAQJrxhfTl8 dcKgvmOeHghvmLVdUxR.KRorhwSB.XrtZYuMEDYPsPOUHWawg7noTbof1EsYRnfqxAaLIzAxKvfu CsT7HkzCpQmHxbsw0WE_Hm2S66cqYD1eQAT0TUib3OYZ8mFXYPKQReboxWM3QIoUWH1n7_T4fhYo 5cfZ9nzOn.pWOjVJiJezJPmg9M4SPpKjAfP0U5.luVanVbjIcYg_xfYasLlyp8ge2AmlmW01nWfG dIGTb6.0w4KL0Wt8Ls7rYIc932zXPQhyug5_LavukMagdglw3I9ZWpHNE.XgyjrGxEk_FwbnvNMF XHZfi4tb2xZDr6tWiLhelljW0XvctQhqEejUbcoEuDUjhLrcBmjLb11kK21wHUqMkJ7YPc3i5Id2 423mV45To2fLd90MDYi1tp0gfwMhEr95i5CD1.34XGL_q5166E9YWimWD_SlkwAONj9yMmJ1NuFG Z57Ap.kQg6RooDFoFKaFWIh69VAfjDBKgincsVKk11fHX0MS4E0dmd8DG9HDicmj.fPABNT8t1IM t625OSkWLQweuLGOc5WFrQ5VLEA.jIKHLT4ihBYKQlXoA_xSjrSjQoykobedkSYIc_DTcy6Rzhc5 dBREI9myEP6DaGmEfCo2XBiT7WC4sYvY22R0eUcZS8GjTlnPY0PerLFTIibfMduRmgYMYbVGliKH LBeAn1Z7XQIygaKBWlYJerGacqGRT_bnuHjf2zLF2E Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:09:35 +0000 Original-Received: from 2.152.205.184.dyn.user.ono.com (EHLO Ergus) ([2.152.205.184]) by smtp428.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 356dc3921f937a73c407830c23c228a1; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 77.238.178.202 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120424 Archived-At: On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 07:14:10PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: �scar Fuentes >> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:40:24 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > Case in point: IDE features. We know for a long time we lag in this >> > department, and there were numerous calls for working on the related >> > features. The result is before your eyes. >> >> Take a look outside Savannah and you will see that quite a lot of work >> was done on that regard, at least for C++ IDE features. >> >> The key part of the above paragraph is "outside Savannah". > >"Outside Savannah" is not relevant when we talk about Emacs. > Hi Eli: We are far from becoming a toxic community, but new/different ideas are not really very welcome and sometimes the arguments are like "it has always been like that", "old users don't want that change". The conservative attitude in emacs development group (apart from the technical obstacles like the workflow and the paperwork and so on) gives the idea of a closed environment (that actually it is from the development point of view because we are like frozen in the past) where only very experts are welcome (that's the vision people have from outside) so very few melpa developers are really interested to face all those issues to contribute.