From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow?
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 23:09:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org>
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 07:14:10PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: �scar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>
>> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:40:24 +0200
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> > Case in point: IDE features. We know for a long time we lag in this
>> > department, and there were numerous calls for working on the related
>> > features. The result is before your eyes.
>>
>> Take a look outside Savannah and you will see that quite a lot of work
>> was done on that regard, at least for C++ IDE features.
>>
>> The key part of the above paragraph is "outside Savannah".
>
>"Outside Savannah" is not relevant when we talk about Emacs.
>
Hi Eli:
We are far from becoming a toxic community, but new/different ideas are
not really very welcome and sometimes the arguments are like "it has
always been like that", "old users don't want that change".
The conservative attitude in emacs development group (apart from the
technical obstacles like the workflow and the paperwork and so on) gives
the idea of a closed environment (that actually it is from the
development point of view because we are like frozen in the past) where
only very experts are welcome (that's the vision people have from
outside) so very few melpa developers are really interested to face all
those issues to contribute.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-15 21:09 UTC|newest]
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2019-05-14 23:54 Is Elisp really that slow? Ergus
2019-05-15 11:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 13:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 20:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:29 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 19:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:53 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 20:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:30 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 23:12 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 19:47 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:45 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:30 ` John Yates
2019-05-15 19:29 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:15 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:57 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 21:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 21:17 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:07 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:24 ` Uniformity Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:45 ` Uniformity Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 19:58 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Ergus
2019-05-18 23:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 15:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 16:23 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-15 16:27 ` tomas
2019-05-15 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-16 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 21:09 ` Ergus [this message]
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2019-05-16 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 20:23 ` Ergus
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2019-05-16 22:46 ` Ergus
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2019-05-28 21:08 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-28 21:50 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 1:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 2:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-05-17 6:08 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:21 ` tomas
2019-05-17 14:01 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 14:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-05-17 18:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 19:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-05-17 16:37 ` tomas
2019-05-17 16:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 17:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-30 12:09 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-25 16:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-05-29 4:58 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 13:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-29 4:26 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 5:52 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:35 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-18 15:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 15:39 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 15:47 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 19:24 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 13:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-19 13:42 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 3:24 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 6:05 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 4:44 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 21:06 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-07 19:01 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 15:50 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:46 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-02 10:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-02 19:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2019-06-07 18:55 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
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2019-05-17 14:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-05-17 16:29 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-17 17:19 ` Ergus
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2019-05-17 8:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-05-17 12:56 ` Ergus
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2019-05-23 20:01 ` Robert Thorpe
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2019-05-22 7:13 ` Emanuel Berg
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2019-05-02 21:40 Why is Elisp slow? Ergus
2019-05-02 23:39 ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 0:44 ` Ergus
2019-05-10 13:14 ` Van L
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2019-05-12 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 14:45 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
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