From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 22:57:34 +0200 Message-ID: <20190515205734.jrjolepvnrtpxexj@Ergus> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <46f308ff-5a70-8ccc-310b-48167088ff5a@yandex.ru> <20190515201531.ikntmimdoa55m5sk@Ergus> <92653e77-0109-8d8e-429e-62fbb92bfc33@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="267962"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 15 23:17:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hR1Gz-0017Wp-6Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 23:17:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42681 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR1EJ-0008HQ-VD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:14:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR0y8-0003wC-LS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:57:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR0y7-0007AH-MH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:57:44 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic308-18.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([77.238.178.146]:43190) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hR0y6-00070c-TF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:57:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1557953860; bh=4KrCgnG3nrRLCwu+RE+B41bMcYnQBOlLGIxkvUzjfwU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=sTDAYCiIBSvMlj4EXUmvMQZ71eGpQ5zcLLMXXtaIQIJMSsL1viWyyDyg4g7jb3Ob4TzFJhAz2dZK42z0VW3pppFXqxb32ijIIUUDhVXgS6RVJfDeByrVxo0obpLgKI+WIC9SXHSAvKpP501oJBlPI8lhXwDdP90FkW+IgUEPGgw/jwQUuB/03BKYkpybfH56XQjCi8uGC5XSQMrSlXw4vwvP3No69b2pGlJOPpB1LynbVlV1Cy4SaQlpEdibOO1Aq2874nwESe26vGZCcLiSudI/LoCO2zy/yC7QrleV+q7J3g2qiyI1XsNOZrFhVh1JMI0TGAJXVKn6gRiSnnVOHQ== X-YMail-OSG: QBQzZ7AVM1mkiigkZUkXuSiftHS4ojqi5ojAnekqiCi4hHLe7ByPAAwxZbJUKyr 7XBWcerZlr9MpEs9GKsylmit0de6E_w80ri_LLnVpaUpkBs_nc2awJL97a2RmAahbILZcUA9t4fy AzxZ0G6u_NxxDH25TuVkssbQHAu9P6P.T72l41sWKffOJDk6MJzcxM2_n71rbbtRPnJeejgKjRr0 8gyogDVYwLihA5hn6GvSfov.gL2W2TE5t_OfmsMmzabiAr89bfTcy9B_SNlb.bCEGd0BhCPKDB.m bFAf_voXekPUhCcqwBGKA08rhZORMFCyhQ_DDIlg4GBIzzHKneo9nXzIRaNLJ3CGBjOmn1a7Ud.X OouNxi62GIHR4sTaWiVXPmBQP5o1mBNNtaQIEukjZdrhGHGGhX1RBhiWU6mxmpQoEilMvBicvjdM OAQ5MjiSQ81.pZFvNIOUV2ANRK45WK9Z0FR0gsc7cxt6M5v1RkrzGorkUprM5YXf5MWIRZnQ0D8. 37E52MdnRQ86knl2gXFrtliXg4Xy8a_.b2xrU_kSdLpnzXdYgYiojOLRAhYXwECMwFfinY4mnynI HpQN1O0GLtKGYlhn8wPpeSDo2UY6GTc5YTIc8Df31ZSqYqyJFSKIUc5dgLrEHedyjrTGpW1OxN3L lK_vVy8qA4tLxwY28qAPvqmCY7h6VgQ6rqL1SeuVTOuHTqZpp7sMwEbOHjrHPGJhRX.YsTpRZoms Dbb6CEvWOg5v.IfgUOyUxDimPufnZUW4XIWlOZBIppRc8Nqkb3y8mhr3eJ2W6QbIW8r7yTmeVOSZ sShYFxbnlkfD6oilggeMKBTmpcdGTL6rMDVcjmZ6_b Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2019 20:57:40 +0000 Original-Received: from 2.152.205.184.dyn.user.ono.com (EHLO Ergus) ([2.152.205.184]) by smtp403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 129294996ffc9c105b1b37ed0d77114f; Wed, 15 May 2019 20:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <92653e77-0109-8d8e-429e-62fbb92bfc33@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 77.238.178.146 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120425 Archived-At: On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:21:11PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >On 15.05.2019 23:15, Ergus wrote: >>I could report that, I could even try to fix that myself and hope Alan >>accepts the fix, but the problem is the social attitude about these kind >>of changes. >> >>Sometimes a benevolent dictator (or a less democratic management) is >>needed to make things work. And I can't pretend to help that direction >>because I am probably the less experiences and with least contributions >>to the project. > >M-x report-emacs-bug > >You describe the problem and your personal opinion, and leave it at >that. That's the contribution. > I know, but the problem is something I can even fix, but if there is not agreement about how to fix it, or even if it should be changed, so it will be just a bug more but like whole-line-or-region behavior, initial script for new users, better defaults, indent-with-tabs align with spaces, the problem is really there, the attitude about core changes. Look how long this thread became with a single example I mention. And we still don't have solution for it.