From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:29:39 +0200 Message-ID: <20190515192939.3sbii44uqxfxkmk4@Ergus> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <46f308ff-5a70-8ccc-310b-48167088ff5a@yandex.ru> <87woirsvdb.fsf@telefonica.net> <87d0kjspdg.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="71944"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier To: John Yates Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 15 21:30:03 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzbG-000IRf-PF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:30:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41462 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzbF-0004nc-AM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:30:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38069) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzb3-0004nK-Nh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzb2-0000xH-RA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:29:49 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic309-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([77.238.179.83]:39051) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzb2-0000vc-87 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:29:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1557948586; bh=IadXLeoDxqBtWiM/I0ABNDTUj1+s/RmhKwY+EooVIXk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=RzOvUe/uYEW0FxFRVHBDMs5ZTrjxTCLbrd78tATYUBiLHOGAWmmY5S/dLb57f/SBbGYbb3/d9k7LQ+QwjOmB/LEDD3ljL4mEAk4dyKg7iE9FB4Up+E7PHDBPEnQh1oSNAw9a6qPoqZGHv1V8996/WLOrJM3bn2I7XlIOYBJvz+/BneDGbFhYNZ7VuQ1OgSLquaM4/yQYW/Y/XzCsikpX5MRVcu02WPHQytUjdxbs1Coh4I23wBR29EWJp5wpoFt39Stpuhv2ACZ1Hb9fy3A3SxZkGFHeMwtFxxdGWxfg/RljpB+xNrTvZfLAzgi8We/nXjYI5rTXBbg/D1RYc1jd/Q== X-YMail-OSG: FFNwUX8VM1mhEIsk8LY4bJlzCoIzNYlNVuGVxMrOIO93O2vX38utCKU7FTkXeHz pr4iCSkp0QEZ7MJj68HEzaRJTXvfER0ZdsMe.HQDfvfQhkAXZ7h8L18M8S2dGYp78K.6l6g4sfIw RzUMGcFaUoZ8eUJKvlYJwGVxY_.FsNe7urJbntqfwDCtfWBpXhLl.Dote70Pep0vcQBuLe74i4Ew Rj6N0h6Q_Wf6cYcteo3OsMfSaMgNyAMcu4wQxC9i8wKPHUUQ9WuP7aycUTbd2iUu.SHd.NYb2.ra 2szAMk9qMPYplLzmh150axwI6OsIzOIcSntFajcYCsOZ.GkAaBPg3i0CrjcPfqQUPjUmMuIQtS7R LEO4Z9ClL5UydsVMxHpZQlMaz0UZSzy2G_OB255pnxVRZYYrSCSQUxu7y2Jk5RZ6CRVnXoNOeVT5 VCS7pJpVCbtU0yPzt845dLjj1J5mv6WeIVH3.YYBqz0MvMV6qTQpszOSA2R7LomCL3FaNQTugyo0 1HR6Za64F9nd1yFauEx2tuN25Rm6.7.F4gu3X8YXyHQ19Dxipz3um6yQJTf3lPU7pXR_9LCxJWDe Y8lJnNEWVa5tRmDYrdx3OmihkZzXzH2W6YdIl0yNPOOSXP8w.hGw5KKrSEfKQBHmR0M.ZxB_HZJq POk.pk9aRpnm.wCh2B.qJPoZ6q0ZTb56ehAxKRIBPqdZlbGHD9BwJRCJeuhVTUe0c1pN1tDAS9U9 I4FBVgaU72oky3K8EMLRgG725KgWANW5x9VfpoZg8agVU7oHyv9dhObwNvb_Z0G6DmU6fSRK1Ffi HZaMRS9Q_Oi_wbxxyHItLBzthEJDkVJ5HfEYmNXwfL Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:29:46 +0000 Original-Received: from 2.152.205.184.dyn.user.ono.com (EHLO Ergus) ([2.152.205.184]) by smtp421.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fd310a9364270766620a9de9619fa613; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 77.238.179.83 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120411 Archived-At: On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 01:30:56PM -0400, John Yates wrote: >On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:56 AM Stefan Monnier >wrote: >> >> I know it's natural. >> I also get annoyed by some of those changes (including some that I >install). >> But maintainers have to look further than that (although they have to >> take it into account). > >I have been using emacs since 1992 (Lucid emacs at Apollo Computer). >I am approaching 70 and still happy to change habits. I am far more >concerned about emacs attracting new converts and new development >talent than humoring crotchety current users. (Does anyone really >think that they will abandon the tribe?) All reasonably well thought >out changes that make emacs more regular and easier for newbies to >master have my vote. > That's the attitude that makes emacs survive. >/john