From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:56:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20190223124310117172532@bob.proulx.com> References: <83d0nnit0o.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220115853855643126@bob.proulx.com> <83imxegskr.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220152455054511191@bob.proulx.com> <835ztdgr10.fsf@gnu.org> <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="149901"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 23 20:56:45 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gxdPh-000cuL-K6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 20:56:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42006 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxdPg-0003My-Kg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:56:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60889) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxdPG-0003Lj-3U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:56:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxdPE-0000x8-2K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:56:17 -0500 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:41738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxdPC-0000mM-8w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED472334 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:56:11 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CEF2123E for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:56:11 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 87AAA2DC7C; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:56:11 -0700 (MST) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119523 Archived-At: Nate Bass wrote: > I compared my Gmail to the archives and I found that I wasn't > receiving mail from one particular address moasenwood@zoho.eu and I > think this caused me to bounce off the help-gnu-emacs mailing list. That is quite interesting. Mail from most members came through okay. But mail from moasenwood@zoho.eu was frequently rejected by Gmail. I don't see anything unusual about that zoho.eu (no DKIM for example) that would cause any difficulty. > This issue raises two questions. > 1) Why was I not receiving message from that address. Any thoughts > Emanuel? I did receive your original post "Gmane up again" and some > but not all of the following replies, if that helps. > 2) Should the automatic bounce processing system be changed? I think > my experience confirms that help-gnu-emacs has a bounce score > threshold of 5. Mailman has been a difficult program to improve. The upstream has forked Mailman 2 into a rewrite that is quite different Mailman 3. No one that I know has been running Mailman 3 yet. So there is no experience with it. However being a complete rewrite from the ground up I am confident predicting that it will have undesired behavior just like Mailman 2 and what that will be can't be predicted until it is in production service. We will find out at that time. Therefore Mailman 2 isn't getting design changes anymore. Plus the instance on lists.gnu.org only gets updates "infrequently". That's probably the best way to describe it. It really depends upon who is employed as the admins at the time and that changes from year to year. Bob