From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:23:34 -0700 Message-ID: <20190218221442658318052@bob.proulx.com> References: <20190218122758037230128@bob.proulx.com> <20190218134228038359383@bob.proulx.com> <3DB6E7C5-35E0-4EA4-B952-B6D56E4DCA3B@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="94267"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 19 06:23:59 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxst-000OPr-3F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:23:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41826 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxsr-0002mW-Oc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:23:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41071) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxsc-0002ki-SP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxsb-00059O-Uj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:23:42 -0500 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:42418) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvxsb-00058Z-8H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:23:41 -0500 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964F0F2 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:23:35 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0D721174 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:23:34 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 648262DC7E; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:23:34 -0700 (MST) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DB6E7C5-35E0-4EA4-B952-B6D56E4DCA3B@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119458 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > There may be laziness, but also a lot of discoverability and basic > knowledge issues. I don't think most modern mail users know that > unsubscribe information is given in the list mail header. Not having grown up with it people now arriving on the scene and using it are using the mailers that have been marketed to them. They now have no idea how mail works. It all might as well be magic to them. If it truly were magic there would be no difference to them. > Also, in "modern" mail clients there is no practical way to see that > information (why would people want to check the source of a message?) > > But I do understand this comment is slightly besides the point. :) I keep thinking that people will see how bad the Gmail/Outlook interface to mail is and will leave them to use better ones. IIRC they don't even show you the email address of the user! Insanity! I would never tolerate that in a mail client. And as you can see I haven't ever because I am not using them. But I know that a *LOT* of people use them but I am astounded that they do. There truly is no hope for the human race. :-( Bob