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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Fill column indicator functionality
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 00:32:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190205233244.xy63h46yqal7edfh@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fe0a4f87-333d-4e83-b1e8-534a1553c768@default>

Hi Drew:

Thanks for replying. I saw the page and I tried almost all the options.

My feature request comes from the fact that almost all the options there
are unmaintained and some look like patches in new clothes.

- Column-marker creates a mark only in the crossed lines. But it is more
  intuitive to have something indicating where is the limit before
  reaching it. Like a rule or a background color change.

- ModeLinePosition like ruler-mode shows the indicators in the borders
  and conflicts with spaceline and sml. But it is also far from the
  center of the screen. When editing there.

- FillColumnIndicator is the one I have been using until now, but it is
  abandoned since a long time ago (the last update was in December but
  it was to add in the readme that it is not longer maintained), it has
  many issues and incompatibilities, enforces to use whitespace-mode
  because is incompatible with show-trailing-whitespace.

- Column-Enforce-Mode is like Column-marker, but changes the rest of the
  line, at least for me it becomes annoying after a while. And also
  highlights the line only after crossed. (SO same issue than Column-maker)

There are other options in melpa: hl-fill-column-mode which is more or
less like column-marker.

I think this is a very basic text editing functionality (like line
numbers). And Emacs shouldn't need a plugin for this very basic text
editing functionalities.

On the other hand, making it part of emacs can be guaranteed to have a
similar clean appearance as you did with the line numbers in the last
release. So everything will be more standard by default.

But again, it is my opinion, I don't want to bother with this too much
because you are very busy people. Any design choice that can make it
better, more efficient or simpler will be fine even if it is not what I
had in mind.

Best,

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:56:02PM +0000, Drew Adams wrote:
>> I would like to have something simple like fill-column-indicator mode
>> (but without it's conflicts and many issues) even if it only brings the
>> most basic functionalities. This is a very basic code editing
>> functionality that shouldn't depend of external packages (like line
>> numbers for example) in my opinion.
>>
>> It could be a line | or a background color change up to the X column.
>
>Haven't been following this thread; sorry.
>
>Have you looked at this Emacs Wiki page? Perhaps it will help - it mentions a few ways to indicate a particular column.
>
>https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EightyColumnRule
>
>



  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-05 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-05 10:53 Fill column indicator functionality Ergus
2019-02-05 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-05 18:47   ` Ergus
2019-02-05 19:56     ` Drew Adams
2019-02-05 23:32       ` Ergus [this message]
2019-02-06 16:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-06 20:48       ` John Yates
2019-02-06 22:25         ` Ergus
2019-02-07  1:41           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-02-07 14:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-10 22:04               ` Ergus
2019-02-11 15:55                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-11 16:56                   ` Jimmy Aguilar Mena
2019-02-11 17:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08 18:57                       ` Ergus
2019-03-08 20:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 13:22                           ` Ergus
2019-03-09 14:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-11 10:48                               ` Ergus
2019-03-11 15:30                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-11 19:58                                   ` Andy Moreton
2019-03-11 20:24                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-12 15:29                                   ` Ergus
2019-03-12 16:19                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-12 19:20                                       ` Ergus
2019-03-13 16:19                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-13 20:02                                           ` Ergus
2019-03-13 20:09                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-14  3:02                                               ` Ergus
2019-03-14  6:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-14 16:51                                                   ` Ergus
2019-03-14 17:59                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2019-03-14 18:22                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                       ` <20190314211313.giyz7p6jtmquabea@Ergus>
     [not found]                                                         ` <83bm2c1smi.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-03-15 20:56                                                           ` Ergus
2019-03-15 22:52                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 23:22                                                               ` Ergus
2019-03-15 23:47                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-16  6:50                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-03-16  7:48                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16  7:42                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 12:26                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 17:28                                                               ` Alp Aker
2019-03-17 18:03                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-03-17 18:40                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16  9:36                                                           ` Ergus
2019-03-16 10:18                                                             ` Question about documented functions Ergus
2019-03-16 12:21                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 13:53                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-03-16 14:05                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-16 12:40                                                             ` Fill column indicator functionality Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-14 21:28                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-14 23:54                                                       ` Ergus
2019-03-14 18:58                                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15  7:30                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 12:44                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 14:07                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 14:54                                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 15:15                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 15:30                                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 14:12                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 14:35                                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 16:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 18:26                                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 19:14                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 15:13                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-15 13:00                                                       ` Alp Aker
2019-03-15 13:30                                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-03-15 14:24                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 15:05                                                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-03-15 15:54                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 15:09                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-15 15:56                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 13:54                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 14:19                                                           ` Alp Aker
2019-03-15 14:58                                                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-16 15:07                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2019-03-16 15:22                                                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 15:43                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 17:24                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-03-15 18:28                                                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-15 14:35                                                           ` Alp Aker
2019-03-09 18:02                             ` John Yates
2019-03-09 18:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-03-15 16:59 Drew Adams
2019-03-15 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 19:18   ` Drew Adams
2019-03-15 19:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-15 19:51 ` Ergus
2019-03-18  1:03 Ergus
2019-03-18  3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-18 11:42   ` Ergus
2019-03-18 17:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 12:42       ` Ergus
2019-04-02 13:03         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-02 13:25           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-02 13:37           ` Ergus
2019-04-02 15:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 15:35               ` Ergus
2019-04-02 15:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 16:36                   ` Ergus
2019-04-02 16:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 17:00                       ` Ergus
2019-04-02 17:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 17:48                           ` Ergus
2019-04-02 18:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 21:22                               ` Ergus
2019-04-03  5:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-03 10:22                                   ` Ergus
2019-04-03 11:11                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05  9:10                                       ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 10:36                                         ` Ergus
2019-04-05 11:47                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 12:13                                             ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 12:46                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 14:09                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 14:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 14:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 15:04                                             ` Ergus
2019-04-05 15:17                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 17:30                                                 ` Ergus
2019-04-05 19:05                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 20:03                                                     ` Ergus
2019-04-05 21:10                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-05 22:01                                                         ` Ergus
2019-04-05 22:20                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-06  6:49                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 11:06                                                           ` Ergus
2019-04-06 12:53                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06  6:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 13:21                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 15:20                                                           ` Ergus
2019-04-06 16:00                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 18:59                                                               ` Ergus
2019-04-06 19:07                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-06 19:51                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-04-07 18:19                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-04-07 18:31                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-07 18:35                                                                       ` Ergus
2019-04-07 18:38                                                                       ` Ergus
2019-04-07 19:02                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-07 20:05                                                                           ` Ergus
2019-04-08  2:27                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-08  8:51                                                                               ` Ergus
2019-04-08 14:57                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-08 16:04                                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-04-12 13:46                                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-04-12 13:54                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-01 11:08                                                                                       ` Ergus
2019-05-03 13:19                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 14:14                                                                                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-03 15:10                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 15:25                                                                                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-03 16:21                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 16:18                                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-03 17:49                                                                                           ` Ergus
2019-05-03 18:32                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 18:39                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 21:05                                                                                               ` Ergus
2019-05-04  6:54                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04  9:37                                                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-05-04 11:04                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 11:29                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-04 15:44                                                                                                         ` Alp Aker
2019-05-04 15:59                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 16:32                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 16:32                                                                                                             ` Alp Aker
2019-05-04 16:36                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 16:38                                                                                                                 ` Alp Aker
2019-05-04 16:42                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-05 14:40                                                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-04 16:42                                                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-03 14:34                                                                                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-03 15:31                                                                                         ` Alp Aker
2019-04-07 20:51                                                                           ` Ergus
2019-04-07 21:23                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-07 21:37                                                                               ` Ergus
2019-04-07 21:39                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-05 13:06                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 15:28                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 18:11                                               ` Ergus
2019-04-05 19:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 21:15                                                   ` Ergus
2019-04-06 10:13                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-06 12:54                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 11:44                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 12:09                                           ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 12:44                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 13:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-05 13:47                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-05 14:08                                               ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-03 12:13                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-02 23:11                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-02 17:01                     ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-02 17:26                       ` Ergus
2019-04-02 17:50                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-05-04 22:51 Keith David Bershatsky

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