From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Open Hypspec with w3m Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 04:33:24 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <20182647-18a8-462b-b253-d5eb0f6ab723@o14g2000prb.googlegroups.com> References: <87bp30bzdg.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <87mxmkft81.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <87vd17y70i.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <87r5bvb9u1.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> <87mxmjx9ob.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <87ei7ubx1k.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> <87aaiggzl2.fsf@notengoamigos.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296564061 21737 80.91.229.12 (1 Feb 2011 12:41:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:41:01 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 01 13:40:56 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkFXT-0005dg-Cr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 13:40:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37086 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PkFXS-0001tA-OD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:40:54 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!o14g2000prb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 116.73.35.230 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1296563605 17496 127.0.0.1 (1 Feb 2011 12:33:25 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o14g2000prb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=116.73.35.230; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:184753 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:78908 Archived-At: > On Sun, Jan 30 2011, Tim X wrote: > > Yes. A similar situation. I came from vi to emacs (I started with old > > Unix systems long before Linux). However, due to some bad luck, I lost > > my sight and at the time (mid 90s) the only good interface on Linux > > for blind users was emacs and an extension package called emacspeak, > > which uses defadvice a lot to add speech support. The learning curve > > was very steep at first and emacs seemed very alien compared to the > > vi. However now I am very much at home with it. Last year, after over > > 15 years, I was lucky enough to get a considerable amount of sigh > > back, OOO Thats very good to hear! On Feb 1, 9:15 am, Jason Earl wrote: > I have high hopes that with the inclusion of CEDET that Emacs can start > making progress on the IDE front. =A0I basically feel the same way about > Emacs as you do. =A0I've used Eclipse and Netbeans, and I did not like > them, even for Java development. =A0Sure, there were some things that the= y > did *much* better than Emacs, but mostly they just seemed to get in the > way. > > I've played a bit with CEDET's EDE, however, and it was definitely cool > to build Autoconf projects from Emacs. =A0Eventually I really would like > to be able to help move things forward. It seems to me that cooperativeness helps open source projects more than competitiveness. In particular if emacs had something like eclim it would be the best of all worlds. The only downside would be memory footprint. Who cares about that anyway nowadays especially if we have customizability, autoloading etc