From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:24:44 +0000 Message-ID: <20181030182444.GC5705@ACM> References: <20181029134722.GC4195@ACM> <83r2g8klf9.fsf@gnu.org> <83wopzk3sw.fsf@gnu.org> <83r2g7jrot.fsf@gnu.org> <83k1lzjq0r.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1540923770 20276 195.159.176.226 (30 Oct 2018 18:22:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:22:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 30 19:22:45 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gHYf5-00058d-BZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 19:22:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54915 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHYhB-0002Zl-Iv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:24:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43581) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHYh2-0002ZG-03 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:24:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHYgz-0003QA-Di for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:24:44 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:26142 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHYgz-0003PV-1Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:24:41 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 37469 invoked by uid 3782); 30 Oct 2018 18:24:39 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p5B1479F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.20.121.244]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 19:24:38 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 5859 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Oct 2018 18:24:44 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83k1lzjq0r.fsf@gnu.org> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230843 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 19:36:04 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Stefan Monnier > > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:27:43 -0400 > > > Seriously? This cannot fly: for starters, the user could be using an > > > Emacs where *.el files are not accessible. > > I didn't mean for the docstring to say "read the code"; I meant the > > patch below. > > > Tell you what: how about if you try explaining this, > > I already did. > And I already read that, and hoped for some more details. Should I > give up? No, please don't. Two things: I explained what I think is the semantics of pcase-dolist in a post I posted ~20 minutes ago in reply to Stefan's opening of this sub thread. I can't be sure I've got all the details right, but I believe I'm not far off. If we can't get quality doc strings for pcase-dolist and friends, I say we should remove them from Emacs. There are only around 30 occurrences of pcase-dolist. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).