From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Separate area at the top for a serious tab bar Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 12:55:23 -0600 Message-ID: <20180626124850532070039@bob.proulx.com> References: <376678535.4221832.1529478419186.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <376678535.4221832.1529478419186@mail.yahoo.com> <87bmbz8o9f.fsf@gmail.com> <16868055.1966258.1529907863571@mail.yahoo.com> <87a7rjw6zj.fsf@mbork.pl> <406844585.2241039.1529922018350@mail.yahoo.com> <83po0esyzh.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1530039235 12861 195.159.176.226 (26 Jun 2018 18:53:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:53:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 26 20:53:51 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fXt66-0003FI-UC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 20:53:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54592 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXt8E-00049E-Cc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 14:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34020) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXt7g-00047v-Ec for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 14:55:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXt7d-0008Ou-A9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 14:55:28 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:48650) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXt7c-0008OU-OJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 14:55:24 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF1A1BC9 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 12:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80284217DF for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 12:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 764422DC75; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 12:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83po0esyzh.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117285 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > R. Diez wrote: > > A tabbar does not preclude other buffer switching methods. I often > > have many buffers open. But I tend to keep the "local context" (the > > tabs that are visible right now) sorted (.h left from .cpp and so > > on). > > > > I would not underestimate this kind of usability matter. It may > > well be one of the biggest factors driving people away from > > Emacs. It could even be a necessary evil until most people learn > > to do away with the tabbar. Humans are just like that. > > FWIW, I consider tabbar to be in the same class as line numbers: while > not really an Emacs'y thing, at least not for us veteran curmudgeons, > they are very popular in some quarters, and if we want to make those > people happy, we should have them. I like your thinking here. I feel compelled to note that no one has mentioned the "speedbar" interface here. There is an entire another camp of speedbar followers too. Yet another way to manage and switch files and buffers. I have myself been a very longtime user of electric-buffer-mode bound to the list-buffers key C-x C-b. I guess I should review ibuffer given the recommendations for it here. So far it looks like a somewhat fancier electric-buffer-mode. I am working with lower resolution displays these days (not by choice, but by small portable laptops now being short on vertical pixels, life is a compromise) and therefore anything that robs me of vertical space is bad. If it uses vertical space then it needs to be very useful or it must be removed in order to give the pixels to the text that is being displayed. Bob