C-x h o in Rmail ?

C-x h o in Rmail ?

[Xavier Maillard]

Hello,

due to limitations, I had to switch back to Rmail as my mail reader. As
I am an ancient Rmail user, that's not really a problem. Habits gets
back quicker than I thought.

I am just frustrated with something I am pretty sure was possible:
output a bunch a messages into another Rmail file using this
keysequence: C-x h o ~/.cache/mail/ANOTHER-RMAIL-FILE RET

So, Rmail users, did I dream it at some point ?

Thank you.

P.S: I know I can >, get the number of messages, get back to the first
one and it the number + o but I'd rather want to avoid this step as much
as possible
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Re: C-x h o in Rmail ?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.im>
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 21:29:04 +0200
> 
> due to limitations, I had to switch back to Rmail as my mail reader. As
> I am an ancient Rmail user, that's not really a problem. Habits gets
> back quicker than I thought.
> 
> I am just frustrated with something I am pretty sure was possible:
> output a bunch a messages into another Rmail file using this
> keysequence: C-x h o ~/.cache/mail/ANOTHER-RMAIL-FILE RET
> 
> So, Rmail users, did I dream it at some point ?

And "C-x h" in this context does what, exactly, according to your
dream?  You say "a bunch of messages", which presumably requires to
specify that bunch in some way.  How did "C-x h" do that?

Re: C-x h o in Rmail ?

[Xavier Maillard]

> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:29:20 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> > From: Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.im>
> > Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 21:29:04 +0200
> > 
> > due to limitations, I had to switch back to Rmail as my mail reader. As
> > I am an ancient Rmail user, that's not really a problem. Habits gets
> > back quicker than I thought.
> > 
> > I am just frustrated with something I am pretty sure was possible:
> > output a bunch a messages into another Rmail file using this
> > keysequence: C-x h o ~/.cache/mail/ANOTHER-RMAIL-FILE RET
> > 
> > So, Rmail users, did I dream it at some point ?
> 
> And "C-x h" in this context does what, exactly, according to your
> dream?  You say "a bunch of messages", which presumably requires to
> specify that bunch in some way.  How did "C-x h" do that?

You are right, I should have mentionned the context.

According to the help entry, C-x h is bound to `mark-whole-buffer`.

So in my context, let's say I opened my Rmail file (which is big) and
I want to classify all mails from the help-gnu-emacs to another RMail
file, I'd probably do M-C-r help-gnu-emacs@ RET and *then* use C-x h
to select all messsages to output into the another file.

Is it clearer now ?

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Re: C-x h o in Rmail ?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:56:33 +0200
> From: Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.im>
> CC: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> > And "C-x h" in this context does what, exactly, according to your
> > dream?  You say "a bunch of messages", which presumably requires to
> > specify that bunch in some way.  How did "C-x h" do that?
> 
> You are right, I should have mentionned the context.
> 
> According to the help entry, C-x h is bound to `mark-whole-buffer`.
> 
> So in my context, let's say I opened my Rmail file (which is big) and
> I want to classify all mails from the help-gnu-emacs to another RMail
> file, I'd probably do M-C-r help-gnu-emacs@ RET and *then* use C-x h
> to select all messsages to output into the another file.

And you would do all that in the Summary buffer, right?

Anyway, I think you were dreaming: such a facility was never part of
Rmail.  I don't see the region being referenced anywhere in the
relevant commands, past and present.  Maybe you had your local changes
which allowed this.

Re: C-x h o in Rmail ?

[Xavier Maillard]

> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:46 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:56:33 +0200
> > From: Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.im>
> > CC: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> > 
> > > And "C-x h" in this context does what, exactly, according to your
> > > dream?  You say "a bunch of messages", which presumably requires to
> > > specify that bunch in some way.  How did "C-x h" do that?
> > 
> > You are right, I should have mentionned the context.
> > 
> > According to the help entry, C-x h is bound to `mark-whole-buffer`.
> > 
> > So in my context, let's say I opened my Rmail file (which is big) and
> > I want to classify all mails from the help-gnu-emacs to another RMail
> > file, I'd probably do M-C-r help-gnu-emacs@ RET and *then* use C-x h
> > to select all messsages to output into the another file.
> 
> And you would do all that in the Summary buffer, right?

Correct.

> Anyway, I think you were dreaming: such a facility was never part of
> Rmail.  I don't see the region being referenced anywhere in the
> relevant commands, past and present.  Maybe you had your local changes
> which allowed this.

Humm, maybe. I will have to look after this in one of my oldest config
files thus. I am curious how Rmail users are dealing with that use case.

Eli, do you use Rmail ? Is this something you think could be useful
for other people ?

Regards
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Re: C-x h o in Rmail ?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 15:32:17 +0200
> From: Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.im>
> CC: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> Eli, do you use Rmail ?

Yes, all the time.

> Is this something you think could be useful for other people ?

It could be, but only if one needs to output many messages at once.
Otherwise, "C-u <number> o" does the job.  E.g., I use 'o' all the
time, but never had a need for such a feature.

That said, we have a lot of rarely used features in Rmail, so adding
one more cannot possibly do any harm.

Re: C-x h o in Rmail ?

[Xavier Maillard]

> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:54:30 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 15:32:17 +0200
> > From: Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.im>
> > CC: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> > 
> > Eli, do you use Rmail ?
> 
> Yes, all the time.

Ah ! There is one more.

> > Is this something you think could be useful for other people ?
> 
> It could be, but only if one needs to output many messages at once.
> Otherwise, "C-u <number> o" does the job.  E.g., I use 'o' all the
> time, but never had a need for such a feature.

I do use `rmail-automatic-folder-directives' and friends. That's
perfect and it forces me to read each messages.

> That said, we have a lot of rarely used features in Rmail, so adding
> one more cannot possibly do any harm.

I agree. This is also why I switched from MUA to MUA (gnus, m4e,
notmuch, mh-e, etc..) Too many features that I rarely used.

There is one feature I'd like to see in Rmail: a kind of rmail-summary
conversation-like display -i.e. like M-C-t but with part of the
conversation instead of the repetition of subjects/topics.

Alex Schroeder wrote something like that some years ago but it just
doesn't work anymore. That would probably need some adaptations to run
in current Rmail version.

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