From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 17:31:57 +0200 Message-ID: <20180518153157.GA18154@tuxteam.de> References: <7dc580d0ea76c21328dc586ffadb5499@openmail.cc> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526657454 8672 195.159.176.226 (18 May 2018 15:30:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 15:30:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 18 17:30:50 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fJhLF-0002BF-Gr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 17:30:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJhNK-0003jb-Bu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 11:32:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJhMR-0003i9-Sj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 11:32:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJhMN-0005eJ-RM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 11:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:56992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJhMN-0005ck-GT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 11:31:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=Pr8+dkLnNA07BS7LpfrI+37bOvDSeitOtHCzdJbew5U=; b=fkGydKOgCv52R47C+thu+b8K1UPYNK9885cVn5MeBJMZzam1AZXkUULh02c9fnSZZRM5kWXmGRfCabj1JFEN8LMAxNJLADJU/PPKTV7DhzhdHno3kysqHSqYEo2d55H7Yhd8UChhZiaQAHwkyfY4MytkGzANK+L3dWoPTwQfJYSDRF3Q2g5L5qwrIGLCZCPZ+pWiQjew20N2VoEiGYRNkVsp6yEDMUmDEAldxLgyF7rQIosBiORvsQXKeIlKe7rfFNLU1geScqApCqGtUSRxj2PFavdoBCFB1vfC+hwngXzfxEQnO8Gz2fC1Kc2MlT8/lRLGDXPaudJKqmIXmRluYA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1fJhML-0004mM-7j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 17:31:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116766 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 08:50:32AM -0500, Kevin Buchs wrote: > As a student, you simply need to go along with your supervisor's > recommendations. You are not in a position to dictate the terms. Nobody talks about dictating anything. Some supervisors are more enlightened than other, so trying to talk to them doesn't seem wrong. > Using the > proprietary tools will not hurt you, unless you need to buy your own. With that I disagree strongly: free is not primarily about price (more so in the OP's case, as he stated clearly). Reducing "free" to price totally misses the point, IMO. [...] > So, you need to adjust your attitude. It may be that you are presenting the > issue of principles - I prefer free, you prefer proprietary, but that is > not really the true issue. Maybe you don't know the proprietary tools and > don't want to learn them or feel you can't learn them. Choice of tools you > use is no reason to switch graduate programs. This whole paragraph comes across as somewhat... condescending. > This is entirely a matter of getting along with other people, not being > selfish, etc. These are life skills we are talking about. Definitely. And part of this getting along is trying to negotiate what matters to oneself and to others. I do agree that an intransigent attitude isn't helpful, but Edgar didn't show something like that. Fostering free software is exactly about "not being selfish". Cheers - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlr+8e0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kax+wCfbKhTlIUw6n2SL106P2GgS4qa SWYAnjKwfLqGw5KnPqBCPPb1GHutiLfQ =szdJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----