From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 10:15:49 +0200 Message-ID: <20180518081549.GF4556@tuxteam.de> References: <7dc580d0ea76c21328dc586ffadb5499@openmail.cc> <441378060.337754.1526627562985@webmail.appsuite.proximus.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526631263 11298 195.159.176.226 (18 May 2018 08:14:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:14:23 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 18 10:14:19 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaWp-0002pb-6m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 10:14:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37334 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaYw-0002Og-3n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:16:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54668) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaYM-0002OK-C9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:15:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaYJ-00017Q-6M for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:15:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:56101) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaYI-00016o-Rj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:15:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=VNzJVF5UGSzjEElK5RqrGYo3eiKZeJQ8lMePE37f3Xs=; b=PMfHfcfDXJBP2E0Z0CIWEBimdaqw6xvDJ5KYOM8kH/vy/KPGpSFgNMrbJPLUEboG6aWSKyiHDLSysocrZseQOdGh+V8C/Cil3NDJgVTtY2RV1gfbWDA73BWEa1a//Tg/3BjZjHDlhgBiFZWFsRhuZtK3VEiSv0z5xWYYdVt5a14BFw5Xt8uoPn7n+54mGCEkk3YyqbkjGQs4N2O5Oe33TvvIvXKO7ELl1ObEDm+lNQXqzyQ+94rR2fy9ZMCbEJTX2L+8A7vOZvgGpOKtq9s7w67buPiZe3wYoe2iuYig/kVoVLTx+GOYD5EYStCJ0n6XgmXGRz7hO+Eb1vjXC/GCyg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaYH-0001mc-4m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 10:15:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <441378060.337754.1526627562985@webmail.appsuite.proximus.be> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116757 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 09:12:42AM +0200, S. Champailler wrote: > Be aware that free software is politcally loaded. It's just not a matter of having the right or best tools, it' sometimes a question of ideal, that is something that is *very* hard to negociate about... Well, because in a way, it *is* political. As the stance to "keep out politics" at all costs is political too. > Moreover, if the people you work with use, say Word, it's pretty tough to bring in, say Latex. Because you'll disrupt the organisation of the team. I've been able to cope with that to some extent by using Org mode as a "hub" -- I can export as LaTeX for my viewing pleasure and as (LibreOffice) ODF, which can be converted into Word for other people's viewing pleasure. Now a way back from Word to Org would be bliss, but is more thorny... Now I just try to (help) lobby politicians to drop proprietary formats. We're 1 against 1000 (perhaps even worse if you count dollars instead of people), but we're getting better! > Changing other's mind, or methods is super hard, what you experience is just the normal. It'd be nice to know why your advisor rejects free software equivalents (lack of features ? fear of legal battles ? organisational ...) This is a very important point, and one without which no change will be possible: Whenever I try to convince someone to change her tools I just imagine how I would react if someone tried to pry my beloved Emacs from my hands. Cheers - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlr+i7UACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZPdACfRW0wknQW9XXRxIp7cz6Pn47G JcEAniSWz/T/C+VSzwYQ2GVtkmD+Xulk =us0S -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----