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From: Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ESC vs Meta for shifted keys
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 07:50:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180415155051.GD31322@mail.akwebsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86k1t970os.fsf@zoho.com>

* Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> [180414 17:01]:
> Tim Johnson wrote:
> 
> > I have some ergonomic issues with hands and
> > fingers. Often, using ESC cuts down
> > on stretching.
> 
> You have some different keyboard than
> mine then.
 
  Probably. I've used compact keyboards for years. Started with
  small-key 80% (tenkeyless), then graduated to a Happy Hacker Lite2
  which is a 60% with standard-size keys. On such a footprint, ESC
  is a row closer. 
  
  I now use a Z-88 compact mechanical, where I swap the ESC so it is
  closer (and on mechanicals, it is also easier to physically swap
  the key). I alternate the z-88 with a qisan magicforce 60% which
  I've xmodmap'ped the heck out of. 

  Since I use vim and MC for my system work and have used it as such
  for as long as I have used emacs, ESC is a natural. And of course,
  C-[ is a very easy reach when one has the control key right next
  to one's pinky (as God intended the control key to be located).

  I suffer from basal joint arthritis on both hands which makes
  using my thumbs problematic.

  Furthermore, one may map ESC - <somechar> differently than 
  Alt - <somechar>. Whooppee more key combos!

  And lastly, using ESC means that one need not press all chars at
  once, but can do so sequentially. IOWS, ESC is a leader, not a
  modifier, or so that's how I think of it.

  "Each to his own and each's own is different"
    -- Alaskus Curmudgeous

> My Meta key, which is the Alt key according to
> the keyboard manufacturer, involves some 2 cm
> horizontal movement with the thumb, from right
> to left (perhaps I should estimate it to one
> "inch" instead :))
> 
> To hit the Esc key OTOH involves a huge leap of
> hand over several keys, and this movement also
> dislocates the hand from typing
> "asdf" position.
> 
> -- 
> underground experts united
> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

-- 
Tim Johnson
http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com



  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-15 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.11969.1523366938.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <86tvsiaoe3.fsf@zoho.com>
2018-04-10 23:26   ` ESC vs Meta for shifted keys Bob Proulx
2018-04-10 23:40     ` Bob Proulx
2018-04-15  0:30   ` Tim Johnson
     [not found]   ` <mailman.12411.1523752244.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-04-15  0:50     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-04-15 15:50       ` Tim Johnson [this message]
2018-04-16 12:52         ` Robert Pluim
     [not found]   ` <mailman.11999.1523402811.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-04-15  1:06     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-04-15  4:13       ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]       ` <mailman.12416.1523765608.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-04-15 20:04         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-04-10 13:28 Robert Pluim
2018-04-10 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-10 13:57   ` Robert Pluim
2018-04-10 23:11   ` Bob Proulx
2018-04-11 12:34     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-11 19:54       ` Bob Proulx
2018-04-11 21:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-11 21:58           ` Drew Adams
2018-04-12  8:49             ` Robert Pluim
2018-04-12 14:52               ` Drew Adams
2018-04-12 14:57                 ` Robert Pluim
2018-04-12 16:02                   ` Drew Adams
2018-04-12 16:16                     ` Robert Pluim
2018-04-12 16:35                       ` Yuri Khan
2018-04-12 16:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-12 16:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-12 11:31             ` Eli Zaretskii

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