From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Path of tool-bar icons Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:55:39 +0200 Message-ID: <20180411205539.GE26644@tuxteam.de> References: <83h8oh3dp4.fsf@gnu.org> <864lkhfpgs.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523480061 9173 195.159.176.226 (11 Apr 2018 20:54:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 20:54:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 11 22:54:17 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Mkw-0002DA-DN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:54:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57353 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Mn3-0005uW-3b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 16:56:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53273) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6MmP-0005tO-1D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 16:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6MmL-0006bu-5B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 16:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:33715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6MmK-0006aL-PW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 16:55:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=20171004; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=OqWMfVxSb6d5Jrbuvq5olHfCugNTfbm3K5VJHwnrLlA=; b=MgM5k5MVshvYdGeL0VsbGUOPN7wCF7ig2JpdxY1f0YRT13Fn0z/Zsut3vnXd2V01eRd3AlnKiC6EaSIwjQomXHCXqAudkSkaSZYgbGqFsvjZXnFYyi9j9ixIL1K6RCKIjUMzXDO4MvFlyZ3v7FkaAf8JiiruXEw6WU2vQ06S3nprQv8WYIdqFUZYeDV9fqPnBPnngL4xMndAxEranze8X4b0EgvkuPfQ6W34xjS4UEhcgPgfGhhAxhXlsWPWYQNcPqu3kyY7LetOKnUFAafFBoNtS9PG/RwJsLs0SC79NzPYC1GsGkXl7fVxopV+JbbR8nlhSgmhRrSvnS3/7yFUHw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1f6MmJ-0007tO-4t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:55:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <864lkhfpgs.fsf@zoho.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116473 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:38:43PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > > > This is a difficult thing in Emacs: it has > > its own (strong) culture and its lexicon > > sometimes differs in subtle ways from > > people's expectations. > > There are a couple of such cases but it isn't > epidemic like some people like to exaggerate, > often to push the "Emacs is difficult to learn" > notion, likewise exaggerated. There was a guy on > this list who made a big hullabaloo of some > window/frame issue for example... I think it *is* a hurdle. I don't think changing Emacs' culture is a solution to that (nor that it's desirable, for that). But I do think it helps being aware of it. Cheers - -- t -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlrOdksACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYUrQCcDTGT7IKWiCk7kziltr69Bzch UE0An2tqAiUGc1SZ3OeYpVDYN4l02FEh =wfF6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----