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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: 30241@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#30241: Emacs 26.0.91: "Generalized variables" are not defined.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:06:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180124200652.GA4493@ACM> (raw)

Hello, Emacs.

Emacs 25.3, Emacs 26.0.91 elisp manual.

In enough places in emacs, we find terms like "generalized variable"
"place form", and "place" being used.  These terms are not defined in
the Elisp manual, or any place where they are used.  This is a bug.

There is a page in elisp which purports to define "generalized
variable", but rather than defining the term, it talks vaguely around
it, saying it is "one of the many places in Lisp memory where values can
be stored".  Does this mean it is different from the other such places?
If so, how does it differ.  WHAT IS IT????

The elisp page then goes on to give examples of "generalized variables",
never defining the term.  It gives no criterion by which the reader can
determine whether some random object is a generalized variable or not.

I want to know whether a function is a "generalized variable".  After a
long time trying to find out, I still don't know.  I've been trying for
over an hour to use add-function, with forms like

    (add-function :before sit-for (lambda () (acm-backtrace 5)))
    (add-function :before 'sit-for (....))
    (add-function :before #'sit-for (.....))
    (add-function :before (symbol-function 'sit-for) (....))

, and got nothing but unhelpful error messages back, such as 

    Symbol's value as variable is void: sit-for

.  The documentation of add-function is likewise vague and unhelpful.
The various inflections of "sit-for" above are at a place in the
add-function form where a "generalized variable" is needed.  Is a
function a generalized variable or not?

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).





             reply	other threads:[~2018-01-24 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-24 20:06 Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2018-01-24 20:49 ` bug#30241: Emacs 26.0.91: "Generalized variables" are not defined Noam Postavsky
2018-01-24 21:25 ` Drew Adams
2018-01-24 21:38   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-01-24 21:43     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-26 14:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-26 16:15     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-27 10:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 10:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-10 11:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-10 21:58         ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-10 22:54           ` Drew Adams
2018-02-11 20:43             ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-11 16:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-20 20:51             ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-03-21  6:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <handler.30241.B.15168248834946.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2018-03-21 17:46   ` bug#30241: (Emacs 26.0.91: "Generalized variables" are not defined.) Alan Mackenzie
     [not found] <<20180124200652.GA4493@ACM>
     [not found] ` <<e3468d0d-4ee5-4173-9a0d-051803a8cf08@default>
     [not found]   ` <<83h8r8ln7u.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <<41654c7c-2d8d-44ec-a5c4-dd12014b7a9e@default>
     [not found]       ` <<83o9lfk2sy.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-01-27 15:31         ` bug#30241: Emacs 26.0.91: "Generalized variables" are not defined Drew Adams

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