From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29478: 26.0.90; `C-h k' followed by mouse clicks no longer shows down event Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:18:16 +0000 Message-ID: <20171209171816.GA15719@ACM> References: <1b3879d6-f14e-47b0-970f-baf09598fcfd@default> <871skjnpd8.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <20171128221036.GC14868@ACM> <83o9ni3l3i.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1512840369 18806 195.159.176.226 (9 Dec 2017 17:26:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:26:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Cc: 29478@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 09 18:26:05 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNit1-0004gy-VX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 18:26:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42091 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNit9-0007Zm-0x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:26:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45869) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNit3-0007Zg-CI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:26:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNit0-0007c3-8O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:26:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:45372) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNit0-0007bd-3f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:26:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNisz-0005EC-Uv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:26:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29478 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 29478-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29478.151284032920059 (code B ref 29478); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:26:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29478) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2017 17:25:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54053 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNisT-0005DS-GM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:25:29 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:29929 helo=mail.muc.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNisR-0005DK-CZ for 29478@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:25:27 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 36542 invoked by uid 3782); 9 Dec 2017 17:25:23 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C7E8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.126.141]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 18:25:21 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 15730 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Dec 2017 17:18:16 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83o9ni3l3i.fsf@gnu.org> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:140864 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 10:31:45 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:33:00 -0800 (PST) > > From: Drew Adams > > Cc: 29478@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > The down mouse-button event is no longer listed along with the up > > > > > event when you use `C-h k' with a click event. Dunno whether this > > > was > > > > > by design or is an oversight. > > > I think if you press and hold the mouse button for (default) half a > > > second, when you finally release it, C-h k will report the down mouse > > > event. At least this is how GPM behaves for me on a Linux tty. > > Ah yes, thanks. I see that now on MS Windows too. > > > This seems to make sense, because anything bound to a down mouse > > > event is going to be something like a drag event, where the mouse > > > button is held for an extended period of time. > > Sorry, no, I don't buy that. I mean it's probably true that > > most such bindings involve dragging. But (1) a user who wants > > to check what `mouse-N' does won't necessarily use it the same > > way when checking with `C-h k' as when using it for its real > > purpose. And (2) the problem with this is that it is not > > easily discoverable. > > I've used Emacs for quite a while. OK, I expected both up and > > down to be documented. But even I would likely never have > > thought to hold the button pressed for a long time before > > releasing, just to see what `C-h k' had to tell me. > Alan, can we arrange for the doc string of mouse-N clicks (with or > without all the possible modifiers) to say something like > For documentation of the corresponding mouse-down event, click and > hold the mouse button longer than %s sec. > (where %s gets replaced by double-click-time)? Yes, I'm sure I can manage that, hopefully in the coming week. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).