From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Why are bugs discussed on this list? [was: tramp and shell ...] Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:46:29 +0100 Message-ID: <20171104154629.GA4605@tuxteam.de> References: <87lgjmgny3.fsf@gmx.de> <83lgjmt8d3.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1509810430 13805 195.159.176.226 (4 Nov 2017 15:47:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 04 16:47:06 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eB0f1-00038C-Iv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:47:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41369 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB0f9-0007vd-27 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:47:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB0ej-0007vV-Cv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:46:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB0ee-0007Ag-Gw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:46:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:57803) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB0ee-00075e-7O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:46:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=20171004; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=xpMg04hfZL+GdZA3cUkIa/FyzFn1hAo0+KYQXWAX168=; b=V7AZYRdFDtHzmLDpWhaFwgWixOUqT++hLRsy59MZUnKCE8DQ/0uaft6Do8QObEOszofOnryZv2sC1kXQJmoIxloI6NUiOhrFk9pe/MQvv2bUpTIZLO9DPTlQsa+0WQmUfciOSoFfYp855DMaLR9wNVELIrJ7h6mOHD1eUoKNJuy4Wb52Z+RlS8iOL0P3OFVHLbg9jvM77dRqAo2e+0cXIkiLoRR0iI48Ear2dsU7N/3pIv15nI3afZfqooejpqBGghqN/Rf7ehP/GylJW0rPnhpPRLFgtuOtMgZTR9c+FJj2gjkcMw57PQCdICY1pFUfRaSmFTO9kwYp6Zc+DLOCwg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1eB0eT-0001HM-1p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:46:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83lgjmt8d3.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114740 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 04:40:40PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: [...] > [Why are bugs discussed on this list?] Eli, you are an exceedingly smart person (I say that without a whiff of irony). But you haven't walked in a greenhorn's shoes (definitely not wrt. Emacs) for quite a long time. For us mere mortals it is sometimes hard to distinguish between PEBKAC[1] and a genuine bug. That's why we (cautiously) turn first to this list, perhaps once too often Be gentle :) Cheers [1] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. Always assume this first. - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAln94NUACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZ1DQCeKT+u+yytsMllRN5Mk6vnl82Z rLIAnj/TueyFmo0aBAHIFDrTx5qnvDr+ =jpXH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----