From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Russell Adams Subject: Re: OT: TUI applications Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:39:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20171018223954.GG29427@volibear.adamsinfoserv.com> References: <20171018132338.GA29427@volibear.adamsinfoserv.com> <87o9p4f6x0.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42176) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e4x0T-0002qe-1K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:40:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e4x0O-0000s2-3v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:40:09 -0400 Received: from nov-007-i542.relay.mailchannels.net ([46.232.183.96]:59898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e4x0N-0000qo-9E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:40:04 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87o9p4f6x0.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Tim Cross Cc: emacs-orgmode Tim, While I appreciate the insight, Tk and web apps are outside the scope of what I'm looking for. I've used Tk with Python and Perl and don't care for it. I value the low overhead, speed, and simplicity of terminal applications. I use Mutt for all my email, and the only GUI app I use with any regularity is Firefox. I'm trying to find a fast way to implement similar terminal applications for simple databases that I use casually. Thanks. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 09:05:47AM +1100, Tim Cross wrote: > > There is actually lots of these frameworks and libraries in many > different languages, so it really depends on what you are most > comfortable working in. I have used both Emacs forms and widgets in the > past. For example, I've used forms as an intermediate step between emacs > and a backend store where I have 'batch' commands which retrieve the > data into a file which forms use as input and then after editing the > data using Emacs forms, write the data back to the backend store (making > the forms a sort of 'batch' processor). > > For shell scripts, whiptail, zenity and dialog usually work and if I > need something a little more, I've used Tcl/Tk or perl/Tk. > > However, I am now trying to reduce my level of context switching between > different languages. As I'm doing more and more in the web environment, > I'm now playing with electron (atom shell), which allows me to easily do > a desktop app just using html, CSS and javascript (actually, my > intention is to use Clojurescript). > > I've actually found that even with basic TUI libraries, there is still > too much low level stuff I don't want to worry about. Being able to use > a JS library I'm familiar with and avoid all the web server, browser > differences etc is much faster and simpler, plus the more I use it, the > easier it gets as I build up my own modules etc. > > Tim > > Russell Adams writes: > > > Given the unique user base of Org, I wanted to ask a question. > > > > Has anyone seen any modern development libraries for TUI (console / character cell) applications? Ncurses the library is > > not an answer as you have to start from scratch. There are thousands of web frameworks, and yet console is infinitely > > simpler than a LAMP stack, but there are no prepackaged libraries for working with it (ie: forms, widgets, etc). > > > > I frequently find myself in the position to need a small custom database application for this or that (contacts, > > invoicing, recipes!). Python (or similar) + SQLite seems like a no brainer, except I don't want webapps or a giant GUI > > program like libreoffice Base. I'd use something that was text forms based like an old dBase product. > > > > I've looked at Emacs forms, but they appear to be only for editing CSV data. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com > > > > PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ > > > > Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 > > > -- > Tim Cross > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3